COLO COLO ALL TIME XI Lizardo Garrido, Leonel Herrera , Roberto Condor Rojas,David Arellano , Jorge Toro,Mario Galindo Jaime Pizarro, Carlos Caszely, Marcelo Barticcioto, Francisco Hormazabal, Francisco Valdez
@PDG1978 @Wiliam Felipe Gracek (after searching for what Bergomi said in the past). In the Gazzetta archive I found this: The Times choses Carbone among the best ever LONDON - An Italian among the eleven best foreigners of the first decade of the Premier League. But it is not Zola, still in the breach at 36, and even less Di Canio. The Times yesterday celebrated the splendors of the first ten seasons of the "greatest show on earth", the top English league launched in 1992. And it included Benito Carbone among the eleven great non-English protagonists. In the formation that sees Schmeichel (ex Manchester United) as best goalkeeper, the defense with Petrescu (ex Chelsea), McGrath (ex Manchester Utd), Desailly (Chelsea) and Irwin (ex Manchester Utd), Carbone is placed on the right of midfield, with Keane (Manchester Utd), Vieira (Arsenal) and Barnes (ex Liverpool). In attack Bergkamp and Henry of Arsenal. "We can already imagine the criticism for the inclusion of Carbone - notes the Times -. But he has scored 76 goals in 137 Premier League appearances, an average that beats any foreign striker except Hasselbaink, 80 in 138 (excluding the current season) and Henry (58 in 99). Carbone's goals are even more significant, considering that he played for teams such as Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa and Bradford City. Second-rate teams, embroiled in the fight for survival. Carbone, who arrived at Sheffield Wednesday from Inter in '96, left English football last summer to join Como. "It's magnificent news," says the playmaker from Bagnara Calabra. "It means that I've done something important in England. It's confirmation that I worked miracles in those hopeless teams, but very few people realised that at the time. I want to remember the 6 goals that took Aston Villa to the final of the FA Cup in 2000, 3 of which against Leeds to help Villa reach the quarter-finals after 25 years. And the last 4 months of last season on loan at Middlesbrough. Unlike Zola, Di Canio, and the others, I was unable to break into a top English team. In the end, Middlesbrough's promises did not materialize, and I returned to Italy. But what the Times wrote is the best boost to face 2003 with enthusiasm, after the problems of the last few months at Como» https://archiviostorico.gazzetta.it...ie_Carbone_fra_migliori_ga_0_0212274769.shtml I found the original article as well Greatest show on earth marks dazzling decade Matt Dickinson Chief Football Correspondent Thursday December 26 2002 ONE morning a few weeks ago, a dozen sports writers were locked in a hotel room to watch the highlights of the past ten years from the Premier League. It was a wonderful way to spend a day, but almost wasted on those already passionate about our football. They should have invited Michael Parkinson and the other damning columnists who write about greed, violence and cheating as if they were invented by the modern player. Parkinson and others complain that Premiership football has become so hyped and inflated that there is no room for other sports, but the national game should not apologise for being phenomenally successful. Tracing those ten years had a purpose, to be explained shortly, but above all it highlighted the quality of entertainment. Of course there are rogues and villains, but is there a better or longer-lasting show in any town in England? This, the eleventh season of the Premiership, has already provided some bewitching twists and turns at the top of the table and drawn mesmerising beauty from Arsenal, courage in adversity from Manchester United and unexpected consistency from Chelsea. At the other end, the cracks at Leeds United run deep. The temptation is always to look forward to the next round of battles but, today, the Premier League has released the shortlists from which the public can vote for their goal, match and teams of the past decade. Some will wonder if there is a need for more awards or nostalgia, but Richard Scudamore, the chief executive, could not disagree more. “I cannot think of any other period in the history of the game when it can have changed so much over ten years,” he said. “And most of that change has been successful, so I think ten years is a landmark well worth celebrating. “We can quantify success in attendances. Gates have risen more than 60 per cent since 1992, from an average of 21,200 to 34,000. By way of comparison, the current averages in Italy and Spain are around 25,000. On top of that, we now broadcast to 870 million people in 160 countries. “I think they are seeing a wonderful competition which pits the best of Britain against the best in the world on a weekly basis. There have been 81 countries represented in the Premier League, which makes it the most cosmopolitan. The best in the game want to work here.” Such was the quality on offer that, when it came to drawing up the shortlists of best players, Rio Ferdinand did not figure among the centre halves because he had not proven himself over a long enough period. The temptation to include Ruud van Nistelrooy for his remarkable debut season at Old Trafford was also resisted and, in any case, would he make it into the team when Dennis Bergkamp, Eric Cantona, Thierry Henry and Jürgen Klinsmann are also available to score the goals? My personal inclination is detailed in the panel below. Already the complaints about Benito Carbone’s inclusion can be heard, but the Alice-banded Italian scored 76 goals in 137 Premiership appearances at a rate that surpasses every overseas striker other than Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (80 in 138, not including this season) and Henry (58 in 99). It is even more remarkable considering that he was playing for Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa and Bradford City. The best of British versus an overseas XI would be some game — a narrow win for the foreigners? — although it could not possibly hope to surpass the five on the shortlist for the decade’s best match. Liverpool’s 4-3 victory over Newcastle United in 1996, when Stan Collymore’s winner derailed Kevin Keegan’s title charge, combined goals, drama and lasting consequence, but there are some intriguing alternatives. West Ham United’s 5-4 victory over Bradford City in early 2000 seemed a strange inclusion until the highlights were watched. On top of nine goals was a performance from Paolo Di Canio bordering on madness. Denied a second claim for a penalty, the Italian tried to run off the pitch and had to be ordered back on by Harry Redknapp, his manager. Finally awarded a spot-kick, Di Canio was so adamant that he would take it that he physically wrestled Frank Lampard for the ball. From today, Sky will be showing the contenders for goal of the decade, from Dalian Atkinson’s swaying run to Tony Yeboah’s violent volley. There could have been a shortlist just of Matt Le Tissier’s goals, but Bergkamp’s pirouette against Newcastle United is surely the best of the bunch. Great players, games and goals to savour, although there is still room for improvement, as Scudamore acknowledges. “I don’t think anyone will complain if inflation settles, because it will help to bring the public closer to the clubs and the players,” he said. “We have to keep moving forward but, I think we are safe to say, it has been a successful ten years.” Dickinson’s Premier choice BRITISH XI: D Seaman — G Neville, T Adams, G Pallister, S Pearce — D Beckham, P Ince, P Scholes, J Barnes — A Shearer, M Owen. OVERSEAS XI: P Schmeichel — D Petrescu, P McGrath, M Desailly, D Irwin — B Carbone, Roy Keane, P Vieira, R Pires — D Bergkamp, T Henry. _____________________ The problem is though that Carbone did not score this number. https://www.premierleague.com/players/1240/Benito-Carbone/overview 76 in 137? The Premier League website says 35 in 177.
I did always think Carbone was a very good player with excellent technical qualities, not to say better than Zola (I would say personally, rightly or wrongly, my impression would have gone more in Zola's favour after they both came to England even, but for sure Carbone did do very well too I remember, from the beginning when he signed for Sheffield Wednesday). Of course he is being selected on the right midfield/wing position (that he did play quite often in Italy with Inter Milan and other teams, and then also at Sheffield Wednesday even if he also played as more of a number 10 or second striker) where Zola is not so much of a valid option anyway if placing players in positions/roles actually played in English football. Maybe 'hopeless teams' gets lost in translation a bit (either he was being a bit controversial or in Italian custom that kind of phrase might get used to refer to 'under-dog' teams...or literally there was a translation error or he tried to use English but didn't understand the way that term is used here totally I guess!). Although it's true he never played for an exceptional team I would say (even if I remember him starring in some good Sheffield Wednesday performances vs a declined Forest for example - before he arrived Forest actually had some big scoring results vs Sheffield Wednesday but in his time it went the other way to an extent!). I'm not sure what that stat refers to - maybe completely a faux pas, unless it relates to all competitions and also includes assists (he has 35 in Premier League)? Assists This table ranks players based on the currently selected stat type Rank Player Club Nationality Stat 1. Paolo Di Canio - Italy 49 2. Gianfranco Zola - Italy 42 3. Benito Carbone - Italy 35 4. Roberto Di Matteo - Italy 13 5. Gianluca Vialli - Italy 11
The first article seems to erroneously list Barnes at left wing (not really his position for Premier League era so much anyway tbh, although a little bit in the earliest days albeit he had injury issues around that time anyway) in the foreigners XI (which is what is referred to for Carbone's inclusion rather than a combined foreigners/British XI) rather than Pires (as can be seen from the second article). Barnes was obviously in the British XI in that position.
I don't know if he actually picked such an XI but Ossie Ardiles said in mid-1979 that the 3 Scottish players he saw as world class (Kenny Dalglish, John Robertson, Archie Gemmill) plus Gordon McQueen as another Scot, for central defender, would make it into an English league XI he would pick; meanwhile he praises John McGovern too and suggests in effect he should be playing for the Scottish NT too:
PAULO ROBERTO FALCAO - 1982 BEST XI - PLACAR MAGAZINE(BRAZIL) DASAEV KALTZ SCIREA PASSARELLA BRIEGEL ARDILLES GIRESSE ANTOGNONI CONTI PLATINI BONIEK HE CHOOSE THE TEAM WITHOUT BRAZILIAN NAMES
GAZETTA DELLO SPORT ILUSTRATTA 1979 ITALIA ALL TIME GREAT XI OLIVIERI SERANTONI ROSETTA PICCHI FACCHETTI ANDREOLO BIAVATI MEAZZA RIVERA RIVA PIOLA
Interesting to see the formations selected for these: I guess Falcao might be putting Platini as a false 9 in a 4-3-3 in effect...and the Italy team is in Metodo I think basically isn't it? Maybe the Mazzola family could be the most disappointed to see the XI! No Valentino (or any Torino 1940s player), and no Sandro either, with Biavati in effect selected ahead of them (interestingly with him and Meazza in swapped positions as compared to the 1938 World Cup - Biavati has some assists in that to Piola I believe vs France with a cross (I assume, if it isn't Meazza which I think it probably isn't) and then a pass to him in the final too (the one that isn't the Meazza one that is well known with the feint/dribble), and then a solo goal vs England and another assist the following year - it's possible the diagram was intended to have Biavati on the wing I guess but maybe not....) Amedeo Biavati - Wikipedia (English version) Amedeo Biavati - Wikipedia (Translated Italian version) This one is a longer version I'd noticed (not in Italian - I think the footage was put together in France and shared with other nations probably though, for them to present with their own words), which shows some indications around 16 minutes that what you'd read about Norway being unlucky not to win vs Italy @TerjeC if I remember correctly, has some basis to it in terms of action near the Italian goal etc England Match No. 224 - Italy - 13 May 1939 - Match Summary and Report
I think it is a World Cup XI isn't it (Copa)? - So if Platini is placed as false 9, or in the front 3 at all, it is changing his placement a bit from how he played in the World Cup I suppose (albeit when France went to the 4-2-2-2 it could be said the had two wing forwards and no real centre forward maybe - they didn't play truly as proper wingers though as such and Platini wasn't so attacking or goal-focused as in Euro 1984 either). He omits all Brazilians deliberately rather than picking an 'XI without Brazilians' to instruction/request does he?
Yep Is about 1982 world cup players Placar asked to him choose his best XI of the tournment Falcao agree with one condition....do not put brazilian players
Ok thanks mate, so I understand he doesn't categorically rule them all out but he preferred to make the team without considering them (maybe because he would include too many, or maybe because he would offend some team-mates if not including them, or in general he finds it difficult to be impartial or judge his own team-mates - of course Conti was his team-mate but not in the World Cup). Interesting contributions by you again today anyway - nice job.