Intelligence (?) from England

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by The Jitty Slitter, Nov 10, 2004.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I saw arsenal "youth team" play everton at highbury last night and the stars of the show were Quincy Owusu-Abeyie and Van Persie. These Dutch younguns made a total mockery of everton's near first team.

    Quincy got a screamer storming through the midfield, but Van Persie is really exciting I reckon. He didn't really have his shooting boots on (ie didn't attempt much) but he created so much for his team mates and his link play was awesome. He even came up with an arrogant flick in the build up to the thrid goal.

    If these sorts of guys flow through into your NT i think you will have a firghteningly good side.
     
  2. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    And you probably haven't even seen the young talent in our domestic league yet! So yes I personally am very excited with all them highly talented youngsters breaking through. Particularly because the world seems to have written us off '(we'll show em).
     
  3. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne

    When did that happen?
     
  4. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    During Euro 2004. Even though we got to the semis we apparently were rubbish (according to the global media including BBC pundits like Mr. Lawrenson)
     
  5. Cannon

    Cannon Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Sep 2, 2001
    Washington, DC metro
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That certainly wasn't the impression that I got. I think its your history that costs you in this area. You've always had talent but come up short too often but very few thought that the team was rubbish.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    i thought their teamplay was rubbish!

    and their coach was rubbish!

    but they have some top players no doubt.
     
  7. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Well I literally heard BBC pundits say things like 'Dutch total football is a farce'. Posters on these boards haven't exactly been positive about the Dutch either.

    I've said it many times before: people's disappointment with Dutch football says more about their inflated expectations than about what Dutch football has actually achieved over the years.
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Its a bit hard to justify attendance at your domestic games! Hard enough to get up 'norf!

    Shame Staam retired really
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the commentary here in the UK was pretty derisive - particularly first half against portugal

    but these are the same muppets who sulk and won't even look at the camera after england lose. Professionals not.
     
  10. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    What annoys me is that Holland just can't seem to win no matter how they play, and whether they win or lose. If they play fantastic football yet lose, they're immediately labelled as underachievers, as a bunch of imploding chokers. At Euro 2004 they played rubbish football yet got to the semis, and this apparently píssed people off too because it was un-Dutch. Yet when the Germans play rubbish football and get far in a tournament, they're applauded for their team and fighting spirit. It seems there's different standards for Dutch football, and people refuse to look at the squad objectively. At Euro 2004 we had a team that combined inexperienced youngsters with near-retirement veterans. I've never heard a single pundit outside Holland comment on that fact.

    In many ways that reputation for playing attractive, total football is a curse. People have outrageous expectations of Dutch football, expectations they can never live up to. It's not often that you get a Cruyff.
     
  11. PYordan

    PYordan New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    Pamplona, Spain
    Does anyone else get unnerved by the way that van Persie flails his arms about when he moves? It's just weird...
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Lol - no i didn't notice that!
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Its true though JN i am afraid. Holland has an international brand for exciting quality football, which I guess they have not lived up to of late. I recall even in little old NZ for France98' we would all be camped in front of telly for the Hoolland games - there was a real air of expectancy. I think the fab 3 of Van B, Gullit (sp) and Frank R really put you back guys on the international radar. For eg - when those 3 guys went to AC Milan - we suddenly had hours of Italian football on each week in NZ. they were just serious entertainment drawcards

    I reckon your latest side could get things back on track with these young scamps. Van P last night really showed how different you play to the English for eg.
     
  14. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Not too bad and getting better. Remember there are some really piss poor clubs out here and some really small stadiums as well.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Sorry AFCA I don't quite follow?
     
  16. White-green farmer

    White-green farmer New Member

    Jan 24, 2004
    Groningen
    Your'e not the only one
     
  17. johan derksen

    johan derksen BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 14, 2004
    Venlo, Netherlands
    /me guesses AFCA was a bit "lost in translation" ... :)

    The Jitty Slitter said:
    "Its a bit hard to justify attendance at your domestic games!"

    This sounds a bit like Jitty Slitter is talking about how few people visit football matches in our (Dutch) league. (In this case "attendance" = crowd)
    While I think he's actually trying to tell us how difficult it would be for him to visit matches in our (Dutch) league (because going to North-London ("norf") is already a challenge, so I guess he lives in the southern parts of London). (In this case "attendance" = to attend/to visit)

    remember, it's just a theory! :p
     
  18. ArnoldVDH

    ArnoldVDH New Member

    Nov 2, 2004
    Behind My PC
    Hi Johan,

    I live in the UK these days. Could you please let me know about some of the young talent coming through, their names and what positions they play in?

    Thanks.
     
  19. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    There's of course those you already know like Castelen and Kuijt (Feyenoord) who've already found a place in Oranje. But there's also Jerrel Wolfgang and Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Heerenveen), Nicky Hofs (Vitesse), El Hamdaoui (sp? Excelsior), Raymond Fafiani and Ramon Zomer (Twente), Daniel de Ridder (Ajax), ARnold Kruiswijk (Groningen).

    And then there's them two teenagers playing for Arsenal of course! Plenty of talent about, we haven't got anything to worry about for the next 10 years or so.
     
  20. White-green farmer

    White-green farmer New Member

    Jan 24, 2004
    Groningen
    There are more to come in three years at groningen
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    correct mate (though ec1 not south London). Much as I would lvoe to see some Dutch games it is hard for me to get over there. Hopefully more of your players come here. In addition to the two arsenal players, robben has been cutting a swathe for Chelsea.

    there is a article here with some info on Quincy and Van Persie
    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9753,1351084,00.html

    Arsenal have drawn United in the next round of the Carling Cup, and it seems Wenger is going to stick with his youth side against a mixed United team. Shoudl be a cracker if Quincy plays anything like he did last week.

    Van Persie is exceptional I think. I would have him on the bench for your NT, even though he is not playing regular first team football. He looks a cut above moost other people out there. A magic touch.
     
  22. BarcaFan

    BarcaFan Member

    Nov 14, 2004
    London
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The Ajax youth will save holland once again
     

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