It bothers me Chris that you equate being a Christian with being close-minded. And maybe you studied a different history book than I did, but my history books taught me that the reason this country was even settled was so that the Puritans could escape religious persecution. Being FREE doesn't mean you should tolerate what is WRONG! It is morally wrong to kill defenseless fetuses who didn't ask to be conceived to begin with. How hard is it for a woman to get birth control these days? It isn't. I can't condone a woman killing what SHE has begotten just because she is too LAZY to get her fat ass to a free clinic for birth control! You either value life or you don't. (And by the way, I don't condone capital punishment either!) I thought I raised a son with Christian morals and values. Now it sounds like you've become just another liberal who views TOLERANCE of what is wrong as noble and open-minded. I want you to think about a statement that a German Lutheran minister made during World War II: When they came for the Gypsies, I did nothing because I was not a Gypsy. When they came for the retarded, I did nothing because I had no retarded children. When they came for the Jews, I did nothing because I was not Jewish. Then they came for me. And my neighbors.... It is crucial that mankind remember this: All that is needed for EVIL to triumph is for the godly man to do NOTHING! TOLERANCE is just another word for DOING NOTHING!
Very well said. I wish people who support tolerance of immorality could take a look at what's happening in other parts of the world. An example with which I am familiar is Russia, where most people share these same values as the liberal groups here (although the homosexuality question is still rather new there). And here's some facts about Russia that are a direct result of those values: The average woman will have about 4 abortions. Despite rising immigration, the population of Russia is vanishing. They lose about 1 million a year. There are projections that by 2020, in some parts of Russia 1 in 4 people will be HIV positive. Take another look at that number. 1 in 4. What is that going to do the population, not to mention the economy and most importantly the quality of life? Despite an outstanding education system and immense natural resources, the economy struggles. Obviously there are a myriad of reasons for this unrelated to the moral issues. But the enourmous decline in the workforce certainly plays a part. As was said in the original post, if we do nothing than evil triumphs. Thankfully, the people of this country decided it was about time to do something.
The problem with this kind of argument is that it presupposes that everyone agrees with _your_ definition of what is right and what is wrong. The Puritans might have escaped from religious persecution, but they haven't exactly shied away from persecuting those that disagree with them. And from my point of there's still a ridiculously intolerant puritanical streak in this country about, for example, sex - where a bare nipple can seemingly send the whole fucking country into a state of apoplexy.
This is exactly right. The Puritans escaped because they were being persecuted and came to the US so that they could have the freedom practice an exceedingly restrictive religion and persecute anyone who strayed or diagreed.
Yep. Just imagine that. And now we have the liberals wanting to move to Canada so they can have the freedom to practice their religion and persecute anyone who strays or disagrees.
Here's what conservatives and Bushies alike don't get about people who aren't pro-life. We aren't pro-abortion. We don't want women out there aborting unborn fetuses. We agree that birth control is a better option. However, we believe that forcing our own beliefs on others is morally unacceptable. Yes, the Puritans came here to be free. To have the freedom of choice. By making abortion illegal, you are taking away that freedom of choice. You're making people live their lives based on your viewpoint, you refusing them their right to choose.
oh, but theyre evil and must be stopped at all costs!!!! same with the gays, the immigrants, and if this comment were circa 1950, the blacks as well!
Actually, I think we're concentrating on the gays. Well, the gays and foreigners. Yeah, that's it. Oh, wait, I forgot minorities. So, it's the gays, the foreigners, and minorities. But other than that we're all for freedom. As long as your not gay, or a minority, or an immigrant. Oh, dammit, I forgot women. We're against them too. And if you're a non-white European lesbian you should just pretty much hunker down and wait for the stormtroopers. (The above should be read with HEAVY sarcasm, and I stress the HEAVY) Sheesh, talk about painting the Republican party with a wide brush.
You guys think you f'ing won? Just wait. 4 years MORE of the dim bulb. Let's see where he can put the deficit. Let's see who we preemtively invade (without a draft, ahem), let's see about 'no chlid left behind'. Will everything still be Clinton's fault in the second term? Scoreboard. You WON. How f'ing appropriate. Have a tax cut.
Remember that the start of WWII began with the persecution of CERTAIN GROUPS of people who were not anglo-protestant christians. You can completely turn that quote around. -- When they came for the gays, I did nothing because I was not gay. When they came for the Catholics, I did nothing because I was not Catholic. When they came for the Muslims, I did nothing because I was not Muslim. etc, etc, etc.