Injuries due to plastic grass in MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jmeissen0, Sep 27, 2003.

  1. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    More research is needed...

    I play indoors on Fieldturf at least once a week. I've had no problem wearing Sambas, but then I'm an old duffer who can't run very fast. (My dog, however, had two ACL's, both on grass.) The stuff is a little hard on your skin if you slide on it, though. I've gotten some nasty rug burns. To me, it's more than a turf vs grass battle. There needs to be more research on knee injuries in general. With all the investment in players, it seems like some of the bigger leagues would be interested in sponsoring research on knee injury prevention. Would wearing a certain brace help? I don't know. Would it be possible to develop a treatment to strengthen ligaments before they stretch or pop? Certainly worth checking into. With the money paid for top players, it seems a $10 or $20 million investment would be money well-spent.
     
  2. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Steffi Jones went down with a right ACL tear at RFK Stadium on Saturday. Hege Riise's happened on an immaculate turf at SAS Stadium early this year, and Shannon MacMillan's was also on grass at Torero Stadium. Kelly Smith did blow hers out on the SafePlay turf at Villanova, though.

    Injuries can happen on all kinds of surfaces, for all sorts of reasons. Just a player can catch in a seam on the carpet, many grass fields have horrible ruts and holes.
     
  3. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Re: More research is needed...



    I saw on Tv (can't remember where) last week a program that talked about women soccer. In this program, they mentioned that women soccer players are much more (2-8X??) proned to ACL damages. They also listed a website where you can find information about exercises that can help one to minimize the chance of getting ACL damages.
     
  4. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: More research is needed...

    I believe that there was also an article about this in soccer america a while back. That women are more likely to tear their ACL's then men. The reasoning behind this idea was the way that the female body is set up with the whole child bearing thing. The way their hips are aligned with their legs puts more pressure on their knees then with men.
     
  5. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/soc/2124447

    "TURF BURNED

    The Dallas Burn's star striker, Jason Kreis, continues rehabilitation on a torn anterior cruciate ligament he incurred on the artificial surface at the Burn's temporary home in Southlake.

    "The injury is coming along slowly," said Kreis, who is one of MLS' all-time leading scorers. "It is extremely tedious at this time. It has been a long and arduous process."

    Kreis believes the artificial surface is to blame.

    "It was 100 percent the turf's fault," Kreis said. "I was 20 seconds into the game, planted on my left foot, and it didn't slide out like it would on natural grass."

    Kreis will have to play another year on the surface before the Burn moves to Frisco and their new soccer-specific stadium. "
     
  6. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: More research is needed...

    They're doing some sort of study on precisely this - female athletes who've suffered an ACL injury - here at OU at the moment. Saw a poster for it the other day.
     
  7. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    I apologize if this has been brought up before, but right now, they don't make shoes specially designed for FieldTurf and the like. They have shoes for firm ground, soft ground and AstroTurf, but none for the new type of synthetic turf.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems even thr pros wear natural field boots on FieldTurf and perhaps traditional cleats give too much traction on plastic?
     
  8. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    You might be right...

    The common shoe for indoor amateurs is the Adidas Samba, but it's been around for a long time, at least since Astroturf was the stuff of choice. Also, the boot manufacturers trie to hedge their bets by making an all-purpose indoor shoe that's also good for hard surfaces. (Futsal is played on basketball courts and the like in some countries.) The fibers in real grass have very little strength, they rip off easy. The new turfs have smaller fibers but they're still pretty strong. Sometimes I've tried to watch the feet of the MLS players when they're playing on plastic, and it seems to me that most wear regular cleats. Are you listening, Nike?
     
  9. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For every injury on turf it seems you can come up with an injury that happened on grass.

    But I think that comparing the Armas injury directly to Rimando's and others is not quite fair. At least in MLS, while ACL injuries maybe 50 - 50 fake to grass, the % of games played on is far less over the years.

    And injuries aside, players detest it. It distorts the game with bounces and long rolls, the heat absorption, wear and tear on their feet, etc... That alone shoudl be enough to steer clear of it.

    In the NFL, as stadiums are replaced, more stadiums are going to grass, (Philly, Pitt, others) Attendance at games is up. While there is no direct correlation, 99% of fans and players will tell you that they prefer to play and watch played on grass. Try and replace NBA wood floors with rubber floors and say it helps reduce injuries. NO ONE would support that.

    The only people that like the fake stuff are the GD accountants and some cheap owners. Someone come up with a reason besides being cheaper why the fake stuff is better.
     
  10. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, yes and no.

    What is being replaced are AstroTurf fields. However, a fair number of them have been replaced with FieldTurf fields.

    According to all accounts, NFL players really like the FieldTurf fields. But then, football is a different game from soccer and the players' requirements for their fields are drastically different.
     
  12. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    The new generation of fake stuff has not been around long enough for there to be a significant body of injury data. Data on the actual useful life of these fields is also lacking. Field Turf, for example, which has sand in the infill which some say will compact with time, hasn't been around long enough for anyone to know exactly how exagerated the claims of field life expectancy are.

    The trend in both MLB and the NFL has, in recent years, been away from plastic to real grass, but that trend may be changing.

    The trend in NCAA football has already changed.

    Greatest turf on show
    More and more institutions are finding that the grass is greener when it's synthetic
    The NCAA News -- September 29, 2003
    I hate the fake stuff but it seems I will have to live with it. I've tilted at enough windmills.

    The salesmen who sell the fake stuff like it pretty much, too.
     
  13. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Add another to the list

    Add another to the list

    Taylor Twellman
    Stress fracture of the left fifth metatarsal
    Dragon Stadium
    10/4/03
     
  14. CUS

    CUS New Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Re: Add another to the list

    Josh Wolff and Carlos Bocanegra both had streess fractures of the foot while playing (practicing) on grass.
     
  15. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
  16. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
  17. kebzach

    kebzach Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    Greenfield, WI
    and how many injuries have occured on grass fields in comparison?
     

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