Why was your keeper on the side of the goal, when the ball was in the middle of the goal? They should have given Dallas an assist on Mathis's goal because Dallas had no clue on how to make the wall in that situation. The ball was in the center of the field. So why was their keeper on the side? I guess the thinking was they could wall one side of the goal, and the keeper protects the otherside? Ball would have to be at the other side, the wall side for that to make any sense, and not in the middle. This is the way I was thought to do it. You divide the team so you are making two walls, half starts on one post moving in side and the other half starts on the other post moving inside. So now the middle facing the ball is open. Guess who covers the middle left open? The keeper, he can dive for the ball in front of his team mates on either side the ball is on. Keeper also has a perfect view of the ball. No team mates blocking his view that way. Your keeper could not see his far post standing on one post. He had no room to dive, and could not dive and cover both sides of the goal because of where he was standing. That was bad coaching, he obviously never worked on that posssibility. I guess because you don't see it much.
i was surprisd actually,,, i could have sworn magee touched it last and not the defender.. i have yet to see a replay
they showed only one replay on the MSG broadcast. couldn't tell on the replay who touched it, either.
There is the possiblity that I just wanted to break your balls. That is not the reason, I am interested in things like this. It happened with the National team years ago either with Arena or Sampson I can't remember which, and the positioning looked ugly also at that time. I just wanted to give you guys something different to think about.
Re: Re: Indirect FK in the area Pretty sure a Dallas player did get a foot to it, but I was surprised to see it ruled a back pass. It's hard to believe that, running full stride and desperate to poke the ball away from Magee, the idea was to play the ball to Countess. That said, keepers pick up the ball far too often in iffy situations like that, and I have wondered when a ref would give the indirect kick. Not the greatest idea from Countess, and the ref was certainly harsh (though not without justification), but really, if it's in doubt, Countess should be playing the ball with his feet. But look at it this way: Dallas was fortunate to be playing with 11 men by then. The tackling wasn't violent, but it was persistent and cynical, and Gbandi's open field tackle on Magee was very close to a red card.
I remember saying to my wife at the time, "I think that Gbandi's trying to get himself sent off by halftime."
Re: Re: Indirect FK in the area Regardless of who touched it, that was a terrible call by Alex Prus to award an indirect free kick for a back pass... What was worse was classic homer Shep Messing defending the call.. As far as the goal itself, it just took a deflection off of a defender and there wasn't anything Countess could do about it.. Metros scored two garbage goals and continue to win while my team (United) couldn't score in a whorehouse with a fistfull of money.. Of course Dallas fans will be witnessing that first hand this upcoming weekend.. Our only hope is that Dallas is so concerned with retrubution on Dema that they lose a little focus and we can slip in and nip the match away... That is about our only hope.....
not to be rude Mr. Chop, but are you thinking about maybe changing your sig to better reflect your team's performance lately and perhaps giving El Jefe some props on that call?
I saw a similar incident at an Intertoto Cup match last Fall. I was in the Netherlands on business and I got to see Willem II play Málaga in Tilburg. The keeper snatched a back pass out of the air just before a Willem II player got to it. The funny thing is the keeper took off running with the ball toward the sideline. A Willem II player chased him down, jumped on his back, and rode him to the ground. It was almost like American football. The incident happened directly on the goal box line, so it wasn't that close to the spot in the Burn game. The player closest to the ref has his foot on top of the ball. For the free kick, the keeper set himself up in the middle of the wall. This indirect free kick was probably a lot easier to stop, because the shooter didn't have many options from that close in and from the angle. A Willem II player drilled the ball at the wall and the keeper got an arm on it to deflect it out. I took this photo before the kick.
Nice photo Data Ferret. I can't say I have much experience playing in this situation, but what Richie is saying sounds like a better bet than what we saw Saturday. It just makes sense to have the GK with the best possible view of the shot and the shooter having to make an angled shot high to avoid him. Looks like we never practiced that one.
The object is to slot the ball into the upper 90 from 'very close' to the penalty area. So, Countess played it correctly by taking away one upper 90. It was surprising, however, to see the ball go right by him on the ground. Eesh.
Lousy call. At least it looked like it on the replay on MLS wrap. Countess was livid. Still we are stinking up the league at the mo'. No offense
yes watching the replay, the Metro goons got WAY LUCKY on that call, give me a break, you think he was intentionally passing the ball back to DJ? Hell no he was trying to clear it and it rolled towards goal, DJ can pick that up fine, what a load. And don't even get me started on the second goal, my grandma could have stopped that, come on DJ for all the amazing saves you make, you shouldn't let that crap in. But I'm not putting that goal squarly on him, the Defense was to blame too.
Come on, if you give T-Bone any credit for being a good defender you know he poked that ball back to Countess. It may have been tough for DJ to see that it came off T-Bone, and I didn't even see it when I saw it on television for the first time, but then when I saw the replays and T-Bone makes a nice play by poking it back towards his goal, he had to know DJ was there and was going to get the ball or else he was just giving it to Magee in front of the goal or kicking it in his own net. DJ probably didn't even see who it came off or thought the ref would never call that. Even after I saw the replay and decided T-Bone meant it for DJ, I was a little surprised to see the ref call it.
The problem with slotting it into the upper 90 is that it is an indirect free kick, not a direct free kick. So, if the kick is directly taken as a shot, you need a deflection. Pounding at their legs and hoping it squeezes through is a reasonable option. Having the keeper behind the wall can work if the ball doesn't have much velocity after it comes through or does not angle away from the keeper. Intentionally trying to make a deflection go into the upper 90 is rather difficult, to say the least. Another good option is to have one player tap the ball sideways or back for another player to strike. Now, the ball can go straight in, but the wall can also move forward and cut down the angle even more. That's what happened in the Willem II match. The player standing over the ball pushed it to the side as another player ran forward. As soon as the ball moved, the keeper took a step forward with his arms up high, making a shot into the upper 90 pretty tough. He left some vital body parts at risk, but he probably felt he owed it to his team for giving up the free kick in the first place. I wonder what would happen if a similar incident occurred in the other direction for the Burn against United and Dema took a position in the wall. I'm thinking Kreis takes the shot with a 20 yard run up to achieve maximum velocity.