Increased Costa Living - The Transfer Thread

Ninjatend0 · Jul 11, 2018

nicephoras said: ↑

Jorginho plays deeper than Fabregas - he's much more of a Thiago/Xavi player than Cesc, who at his best was more of a #10. They are both very good passers and yes, Jorginho is considerably more mobile, although he's not a DM.
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i agree with that, though Fab has been playing much deeper the last two years. all that is to say that he'd be a great option to have a good compliment to Kante in a two man midfield. someone who can have that good mix of metronome and dymanic passing, yet still mobile enough to intercept and cover passing lanes. definitely a type of player we need and don't really have.

nicephoras · Jul 11, 2018

Ninjatend0 said: ↑

i agree with that, though Fab has been playing much deeper the last two years. all that is to say that he'd be a great option to have a good compliment to Kante in a two man midfield. someone who can have that good mix of metronome and dymanic passing, yet still mobile enough to intercept and cover passing lanes. definitely a type of player we need and don't really have.
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Agreed.

Ninjatend0 · Jul 11, 2018

so i now we are all a bit skeptical of Sarri and how all this is going, but i hope it goes through for one reason. i think we have a better chance for attracting some good players. Jorginho would be a very good first step. we need some good signing like that if we have a chance of keeping hazard.

Wrath · Jul 11, 2018

Ninjatend0 said: ↑

so i now we are all a bit skeptical of Sarri and how all this is going, but i hope it goes through for one reason. i think we have a better chance for attracting some good players. Jorginho would be a very good first step. we need some good signing like that if we have a chance of keeping hazard.
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Why does Sarri have a better chance? He can attract the players he coached, that's about it. Conte is much more established. Money generally attracts good players. That is why Pogba and Sanchez went to play for Jose.

Ninjatend0 · Jul 11, 2018

unfortunately i think there is a stigma around Conte (specifically conte at chelsea) now. everyone know's he's a dead man walking. maybe i'm wrong and he sticks around, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty low.

Sarri i think represent more the club getting things sorted finally so people can know what they are getting in to. and he does have a good reputation with his style of play that i think would excite either hazard to possibly stay, or for another good attacker to come and play in that system. and maybe sarri brings jorginho, but that's possible a player we may not have gotten otherwise, and it's a good start to positive recruitment. getting a good player may help convince others.

if Conte stays, i think everyone assume we'll basically be just waiting to get rid of him either during the season or right after, that's not a great situation for recruitment, despite his good track record. of course, maybe it's actually all roses behind the scenes, just doesn't seem that way.

Wrath · Jul 11, 2018

Agree about the stigma around Conte at Chelsea but getting Sarri is no indication of the club having sorted anything. We might be back at the same place next year so there is no guarantee for the players of what they are getting into.

Also, Sarri likes to press heavily, something which Conte wanted to as well but then gave up looking at our players. I will be really interested if Sarri can actually incorporate his style without major backing.

Brock Hannsen · Jul 11, 2018

Wrath said: ↑

Why does Sarri have a better chance? He can attract the players he coached, that's about it. Conte is much more established. Money generally attracts good players. That is why Pogba and Sanchez went to play for Jose.
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Conte more established but didn't get any of his #1 targets. Maybe Kante, but these days impossible to know who is doing the buying.*

*hint: it's really the club

hudson hooligan · Jul 11, 2018

nicephoras said: ↑

Guys, take it easy.
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What needs "taking easy?" I just hope we land a good replacement for Thibault.

Kerry Dixon's Boots · Jul 11, 2018

Sarri will be different. Almost regardless of a specific approach, different has served us well on this rollercoaster of the last decade and a half. Things like formations, players, tactics are seemingly unimportant in the scheme of things.

Love what conte brought but vive la différence. Just wrap it up asap is all I ask.

Oh, and Jorginho. I ask for that too. Just the ticket.

Wrath · Jul 12, 2018

Kerry Dixon's Boots said: ↑

Sarri will be different. Almost regardless of a specific approach, different has served us well on this rollercoaster of the last decade and a half. Things like formations, players, tactics are seemingly unimportant in the scheme of things.

Love what conte brought but vive la différence. Just wrap it up asap is all I ask.

Oh, and Jorginho. I ask for that too. Just the ticket.
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Yeah, Scolari and AVB were also different.

In separate news, Barca are apparently talking to Hazard. I hope he doesn't leave but Hazard playing with Messi, Suarez, Dembele, Couinho would be something to see.

Ninjatend0 · Jul 12, 2018

those rumors seem to involve them saying they are talking to his agents, but hazard is self represented so there is some real speculation on authenticity. that being said, it's stupid not to think that hazard is on a few lists at top clubs.

Dtrip77 · Jul 12, 2018

Also read Barca are going to put in an approved bid for Willian. Can't have both him and Hazard. That'll blow my mind

nicephoras · Jul 12, 2018

Hazard has two years left on his deal. Even if we sell, it would be for an astronomical figure, especially after the world cup he just had. We hold all the cards.

As far as Willian, I'm a bigger fan of his than many others on this forum, but for 60M I'll gladly buy him the plane ticket to Barcelona. Use that money to get Martial from United.

Wrath · Jul 12, 2018

nicephoras said: ↑

Hazard has two years left on his deal. Even if we sell, it would be for an astronomical figure, especially after the world cup he just had. We hold all the cards.

As far as Willian, I'm a bigger fan of his than many others on this forum, but for 60M I'll gladly buy him the plane ticket to Barcelona. Use that money to get Martial from United.
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I think Chelsea will have to cave if Barca put close to 100-120M bid. We will have a disgruntled player for another year who won't sign an extension. We will be in a much worse condition next year if that happens.

Ninjatend0 · Jul 12, 2018

just in case:

Nainggolan was asked a year ago who he rated as Serie A’s most difficult opponent and the Belgian named Jorginho. ‘My toughest opponent? I’d say Jorginho,’ he said. ‘He always plays in small spaces, with one-metre passes. It’s difficult to keep up with him or to try to cut out his passes.

‘You get very tired because he distributes the ball very quickly yet he remains practically still.’

truefan420 · Jul 12, 2018

New transfer thread names:

Real Hazards of the window: The Transfer Thread

nicephoras · Jul 12, 2018

Wrath said: ↑

I think Chelsea will have to cave if Barca put close to 100-120M bid. We will have a disgruntled player for another year who won't sign an extension. We will be in a much worse condition next year if that happens.
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First, we’d have him for two years. Second, why would we sell for that little given how much Coutinho went for?

Wrath · Jul 12, 2018

nicephoras said: ↑

First, we’d have him for two years. Second, why would we sell for that little given how much Coutinho went for?
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If we say no to Barca this year, we are in a much inferior position next year as he clearly has shown no inclination to sign an extension and will only have a year left. Coutinho in comparison had a 5 year contract with Pool.

Are you expecting 200M for a disgruntled player with only 2 years left on his contract?

Dtrip77 · Jul 12, 2018

I think if we show ambition that there's a high likelihood that Hazard would sign an extension. However, the ambition part is our biggest hurdle. The guy wants to know that our aim is to win the CL again. Don't think just winning the league is enough anymore.

StamfordBridgeLions · Jul 13, 2018

I would like to keep Willian, as I rate the player. I would certainly not want to see him go to Jose and United. It now seems Chelsea have received a second bid worth £60m from Barcelona for Brazil winger Willian, 29. Well you know. . .depending on the replacement that is not too shoddy. I like him, he has been great for us, but if he wants some time with Barca.

Real Madrid are preparing a £150m bid to take Belgium forward Eden Hazard, 27, from Chelsea. I think we can get a little more than that.

Chelsea could be set to miss out on CSKA Moscow and Russia midfielder Aleksandr Golovin because the 22-year-old would prefer a move to Juventus. I was not over whelmed with Golovin. IF he does got to Juve, and they already have Ronaldo. I wonder who they might be selling? Paulo Dyabla maybe?

truefan420 · Jul 13, 2018

StamfordBridgeLions said: ↑

Paulo Dyabla maybe?
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We should be going after him to keep Hazard but he likely stays and we up wasting 100 million higuain

nicephoras · Jul 13, 2018

Wrath said: ↑

If we say no to Barca this year, we are in a much inferior position next year as he clearly has shown no inclination to sign an extension and will only have a year left. Coutinho in comparison had a 5 year contract with Pool.

Are you expecting 200M for a disgruntled player with only 2 years left on his contract?
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First, since Barca already have Dembele in that position, the links there don’t make much sense. Real is far more likely.
Second, you’re assuming the other team is under no pressure to buy so can always walk away. That’s not the case.

Wrath · Jul 13, 2018

nicephoras said: ↑

First, since Barca already have Dembele in that position, the links there don’t make much sense. Real is far more likely.
Second, you’re assuming the other team is under no pressure to buy so can always walk away. That’s not the case.
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First, Real also has the option of Neymar apparently. They can afford to pay higher for a younger player. If the Neymar option dies, we can possibly milk them but only so much.

Second, I am just going by the rumors and like you said, Barca already have Dembele there and can afford to walk away and wait a year.

We will agree to disagree.

Kazuma · Jul 13, 2018

Also bear in mind we haven't sold anybody the club didn't want to sell in 11 years.

Yahtzee · Jul 13, 2018

Jorginho in with RLC returning is already a huge positive for us.

Baka, IMO, will come out fine. He stepped into a bad season.. despite some awful peformances, he is young and I have far from given up on him. Our midfield is looking way deeper already.

At striker? Michy, Morata and Giroud? Not bad at all man.. hopefully we figure out a way to keep Michy happy, don't sell Morata and don't bother with the likes of Higuain.