In with the new - Summer 2019 transfer thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by chjoak, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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  2. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Some big numbers next to shit players names there
     
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  3. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Mustafi earning that much playing as a defender makes my heart weep.
     
  4. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rumor of the morning...

    - Atletico is interested in Xhaka as a replacement for Rodri whom is expected to be headed to City.
    - We are supposedly looking at Matt Targett as a young(ish), inexpensive, HG LB option
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    There is just no logic to it all
     
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  6. The Foo Fighter

    The Foo Fighter Member+

    Mar 15, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    So I know I don't come around here a lot, but I this is maybe the first summer where I just don't care what happens.

    I want us to make signings and improve, but my attitude is much more along the lines of "whatever happens, happens".

    We'll sign some people, but god knows it doesn't look like anyone soon. I'm fully anticipating that we are outside of the top 4 again this coming season. I guess I'm pretty excited that we are planning on playing a lot more youth this season, which was part of the catalyst for promoting Freddie.

    No joke, a couple of years of having to actually play young guns and buy high potential players might be the best way to fix everything wrong with this team.
     
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  7. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Tabloids claiming that ManU are coming after PAE with a 70M GBP offer.
     
  8. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Yeah...Arsenal should start talking when they're serious. By serious I mean £150 Million as a starting number.
     
  9. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The problem with this is Clive. He makes my ears bleed.
     
  10. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    I would sell auba but not to a ‘rival’
     
  11. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    harsh
     
  12. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    Wrong thread for this discussion
     
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  13. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
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    Ouch. You and Calvin both can't stand Clive. Calvin even got blocked by him on twitter. I don't mind Clive. Yeah, he overuses many already well-worn tropes, but he doesn't make my ears bleed. I could do with a lot fewer of Paul's lame double entendre jokes, though.
     
  14. The Foo Fighter

    The Foo Fighter Member+

    Mar 15, 2011
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    Arsenal FC
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    Arseblog > Arsenal Vision

    Both are awesome in their own ways, but the Arseblog is a Monday/Friday tradition at this point.

    Hopefully the US makes it a goodly evening tonight.
     
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  15. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Nobody likes you being an arbiter. ;)
     
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  16. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gettin there. Probs not gonna be 13-0. But hopefully comfy.
     
  17. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    There is a tread for this talk;)
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Belgium
    Utd's issues signing Wan-Bissaka demonstrate what we have been discussing here.

    Identifying the player is perhaps the easier part.

    But how much is the correct amount to pay for him?

    IMO it's already established that a top flight fullback could go for 50m. This guy doesn't have the track record of walker, but you have to pay youth tax

    So is say 70m too much for a fullback who might be elite and hold down the role for a decade?

    Is a CB like VVD more valuable than a fullback?
     
  19. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    50 for Wan-Bissaka is too much in my mind but they are paying an inflated number because he is young, HG, Palace really doesn't want to sell and ManU has plenty to spend.

    Seeing more links to Tierney last night and this morning. Those that reference a fee are claiming 20m.
     
  20. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    So £20m for a 22 year old left back and £50+m for a 21 year old right back. I haven't followed either player, is there really that much difference in heir skill level and athleticism, especially considering there is likely a premium on left backs?
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This question really summarises how insane this stuff has got.
     
  22. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I don't think so. Both are young with the potential to be really good outside backs for the next decade. To me Tierney's reported fee is probably about right for the current market (20-30m). W-B's fee is that plus HG plus ManU bump because CP doesn't really want to let him go. It's the same thing with CP asking 80m for Zaha when he is probably worth 40m. But he is HG and they don't want to have to replace him so they put a huge price on him.
     
  23. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
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    Arsenal FC
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    --other--
    Right back is the easiest position to fill in football. Unless you are Dani Alves or Trent Alexander-Arnold type who dominates that side both in attack and defense, you shouldn’t spending more than 30 million on one. And Wan-Bissaka ain’t that type of right back from what I’ve seen. He good but he isn’t dominant on that level.

    Crystal Palace is not serious with that valuation.
     
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  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Let's add data:





    I haven't seen Tierney play, but Wan-Bissaka looks like an athletic monster: he's not a 50m player right now, but he's the kind of player that could be a two-way monster for a decade. He's already really good defensively and gets into good positions in attack. If he gets better on the ball, he'll be worth significantly more than 50m.
     
  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Based on the stats, it looks to me like who you prefer depends on how you want to play. Wan-Bissaka is a better dribbler and had a higher pressures number. I assume the pressure number is at least in part attributable to coaching philosophy. Tierney's numbers for deep progressions and xG possession were higher, but this may in part be attributable to Celtic's dominance of their domestic league.
     

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