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  1. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    That means we'd need about 240million voter ID cards to launch such an effort.

    If it costs about $100/card to process and issue, we are talking $24billion to start the effort to issue them. But there's also the complication that elections are state-run, so there'd have to be a serious coordinated effort to standardize voter ID.

    And then you'd have to replace lost IDs, issue new ones for new arrivals, and those who age into election age. That would probably cost several $100millions/year.

    If you don't issue and replace them for free, then you are essentially creating a poll tax.
     
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  2. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

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    But if you had a green card or other lawful status other than citizenship, you could have, and unless you live in one of those states (New York, Vermont, Michigan, Minnesota, Washington), they don't give you the option to get one that proves citizenship.
     
  3. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    For starters--I didn't say a national voter ID card; I said "mandatory photo ID" although in a perfect world we would have a national ID card. Driver's License, passport, whatever--we already have all these things, and people already have to pay for them. But--I believe, I may be wrong about this--the states or the feds have no obligation to make sure you have one. That leaves it up to you.

    A voter ID law already IS an indirect poll tax, but the kicker is that since ID cards are not mandatory, you don't necessarily have a right to have one, and it's up to the voter/citizen to get one. If you make it mandatory that every American has to have SOME form of photo ID, that should theoretically put the onus on the state to make sure everybody has one.

    The situation now is that voter ID laws can stop you from voting if you don't have one, but you don't necessarily have the right to have one and the state is not required to make sure you have one.

    I'm suggesting that the best way to undermine their attempts to use voter ID to undermine voting and erode the right to vote is to call their bluff and make it mandatory that every American has some form of photo ID, thus flipping the script.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
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  4. bigredfutbol

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    I think any reasonable critique of capitalism needs to make a distinction between private vs. personal property.
     
  5. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I'm not countering anything you said. Just going through the thought process of what a voter ID would actually look like.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  8. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

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    Jul 30, 2007
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    I guarantee you could show Elon a passage from The Divine Comedy and convince him it's part of the Bible. Goes for a lot of other so-called religious sorts.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    Matthew 19:23-24
     
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  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    There’s an interpretation of that Bible verse that says the “eye of a needle” was a gate into Jerusalem, and was sized so that in order for a camel to pass through, all of the cargo had to be taken off of the camel.

    Which is in essence a more literal meaning for the same basic point.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  16. superdave

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    The gaslighting is pervasive. Because not long ago there was the Schrodinger’s Truth with the Obamas as apes.

     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    !!!!!!!

     
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  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

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  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    This doesn't make sense, first because similar sayings were in use before Jesus' time, and second because when is the unloading supposed to take place? If it's the gate between Earth and Heaven, then they didn't really unload it, did they? There's plenty in the New Testament about rich people enjoying Earth and not enjoying the afterlife that's totally incompatible with simply leaving your wealth when you die.
     
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  22. Sounders78

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    I've also heard that it was originally "a rope [kamilos in Greek] through the eye of the needle" instead of a "camel" [kamelos in Greek], but if I remember right somewhere along the way there was a scribal error that then became fixed into the text. But this is dismissed by conservative evangelicals because it implies the Bible is not inerrant.

    edit: Here's a site that discusses it, suggesting the Persians had a saying about an elephant through the eye of a needle that was then adapted into Hebrew as a camel. It also has the dismissal I mentioned above.
     
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  23. dapip

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  24. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

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    Feb 16, 1999
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    There's no reason to rationalize the Bible.

    You're either a person who will believe it without any evidence or you're a person who won't. If you need evidence and consistency then you should get out while the getting is good.
     
  25. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    But there is an academic reason to understand it, as opposed to believe it. The texts were written at particular times and places by certain people and have merit for portraying the worldview of the culture(s) that produced them. This is of interest to historians, anthropologists (including archaeologists) and others. One doesn't have to ascribe anything "sacred" to the writings to take an interest in them.
     

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