This thread takes me back to a point raised in the 'future of Argentina' players thread, where it was mentioned that Batista blames the clubs aren't training their young players enough. MSI mentions that the teams are only considered about winning and they DT don't train their youth enough. In the Liberatores this year there are 5 Brazilian clubs, the regulars you would expect. The big four River, Boca, Racing and Independence aren't even representing. Only Velez and Estudiantes are representing Argentina, with Colon De Santa Fe fighting for placement (right now). If we're lucky we'll have 3 teams in the Copa Libertadores. Since the 90's the Brazilians have turned around their winning mentality, but just because they've turned it around doesn't mean anything. In the last decade they've only won it twice and it's mostly been Argentinian, Mexico or Peruvian teams that have stopped many of the Brazilian teams in their tracks. A Brazilian team has never beat an Argentinian team in the last decade to win the Championship. That's a fact. However, now and more and more Brazilians are having more presence in the competition, whereas, the Argentinian teams that should be there aren't. How can the teams be considered about winning if they can't even qualify. All I have to say is thank goodness for the smaller teams representing Argentina. Something is wrong.