I'm astonished....

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Henrik, Nov 23, 2004.

  1. Henrik

    Henrik New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    Van Horseface stamps on Cole, Wenger states that Horseface is cheating, Horseface gets a 3 match suspension by the FA, at the same time the FA charges Wenger for saying what the FA have already punished Horseface for!
    Where's the logic?
     
  2. Henrik

    Henrik New Member

    Aug 24, 2004
    At the time, the media was sooo occupied by the food throwing incident, Horseface's actions amongst poor ref decisions etc were put to one side. I replied to at least 2 newspaper articles about this (The Times and The Guardian I think) reminding the writers of their short memories and how these events overshadowed the real events on the pitch! You couldn't read an article about the game without soup flying in your face!!

    Isnt it ironic that nothing came of the pizza-soup incidents, despite United's attempts to gather evidence against Arsenal and the press' one sided attack on Arsenal at the time? Wenger was accused of Amnesia etc, starnge world we live in aint it?................

    Now Wenger is accused of stating the obvious.
     
  3. Dave_M

    Dave_M New Member

    May 25, 2004
    Enfield
    Good to see a UK organisation taking a military approach to proceedings. When in doubt, shoot everyone :)
     
  4. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    Is there any need for a new topic? Anyway, Wenger brought the game into disrepute and should be punished accordingly. He really should learn when to keep his mouth shut.
     
  5. jegerpenge

    jegerpenge New Member

    Jan 18, 2003
    Lake Charles, LA
    Man, if I were a manager, the game would be in disrepute every time I opened my mouth. I would refuse to refer to Cheat van Nisteldouche by any other name, and if asked about him by a reporter that uses his birth name, I would reply with a simple, "Who?" until they were either forced to drop the question or use the name that I have bestowed upon him. :)
     
  6. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    how did he bring the game into disrepute? He said RvN did something bad and the FA punished RvN for that.
     
  7. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    He said that Ruud always cheats. That is bringing the game into disrepute and is very different to only talking about one incident, as other member will try to make you believe. Anyway, there is already another thread concerning Wenger and his appeal.
     
  8. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you have a link to an article where Wenger is quoted as saying RvN "always cheats"? I didn't realize that and would like to see it. Thanks in advance.
     
  9. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

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    I believe he said something along the lines of "'We all know him, he can only cheat people", during his post-match rant. There are links to articles in the URL I posted above. You have even posted in it. ;)
     
  10. fedwood

    fedwood Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    i always thought he looked like a great dane rather than a horse
     
  11. Deschamps10

    Deschamps10 New Member

    Sep 12, 2002
    NYC & Paris
  12. Miles Brasher

    Miles Brasher Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    Coventry,England
    If they don't charge Wenger then it follows that what he said was correct, so does that mean they'll have to haul in RVN and charge HIM with bringing the game into disrepute by cheating ? Whilst they're at it if they got Ronaldo in too for his persistent diving, the pair of them could share a car and save on the fuel...


    ... oh bugger it, get Giggs in for being half human half sheep, Scholes for being far too Ginger, Rooney for being a cheat too, and the rest for being too ugly to be on TV.
     
  13. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We agreed to stop persuing the pizza/soup chucking with the FA, that's why nothing came of it. If Ruud being a cheat is "so obvious", then why does Wenger feel the need to say it after everytime we play each other at Old Trafford? He said it last year too... He got off scot free last time, and should pay a heftier fine since he's done it before.

    And then there's some of you... :rolleyes:

    I know you guys are upset that the "unbeatable aura" is gone from Highbury, and you are staring at being kicked out of Europe again - which I thought you should be used to by now - but whinging about Ruud, Ronaldo, Rooney et al doesn't make you look any better...
     
  14. Miles Brasher

    Miles Brasher Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    Coventry,England
    well at least it proves he sticking to his principles ;) Personally I sometimes feel that Wenger is too aloof so I kinda like it when he gets emotional even if it is just for a whinge!

    My whingeing is actually much more deep rooted than just post OT traumatic stress, I've always whinged about Manu :D I'm definitely an ABU season ticket holder, it's not logical or rational, just how I am I guess
     
  15. Teso Dos Bichos

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    What, respect him for his spitting the dummy and making stupid comments? He was in the wrong and should stop being so immature. What if Sir Alex had came out and ranted "We all know >insert Arsenal player<; he can only cheat people" ? You lot would be spitting blood, Wenger would need sedated and the FA would have a field day. Wenger really needs to learn when to shut his mouth. It does him no favours and he loses a lot of respect as a direct result. He's even questioning the referee and authorities over the racism issue. What is his problem? Is it a general hatred of authority? Does he have an inferiority complex? Does he just love the sound of his own voice?
     
  16. Miles Brasher

    Miles Brasher Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    Coventry,England
    Like every other manager does from time to time you mean including Ferguson?

    Wenger tends to be more relaxed about Fergusons comments than vica versa actually...


    He's said that taking the players off the pitch would be the wrong thing to do, which it would be. So far I haven't seen a quote from anyone in authority saying that it would be the right thing to do, they only said it would be possible. So I don't really know what you're on about.
     
  17. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Look, I would much prefer Wenger just keep quiet about things, pay his fine and then be done with it so we can focus on the important upcoming matches. But I still fail to see how Wenger's comments are any worse than Ferguson calling Arsenal a "mob" and saying they "got away with murder".

    Is it different only because you agree with SAF's comments but you don't agree with Wenger's? Is it different because (as you've said before) Pires somehow incited SAF by saying that the match at Old Trafford last year helped galvanize the squad? If that's enough to warrant such comments from SAF, why is a nasty studs rake down Cole's shin by RvN not something that Wenger would rightly be upset about?

    I'm really not trying absolve Wenger....just pointing out that both managers say things in the heat of the moment and that it's a bit disingenuous to think SAF is always the good guy and Wenger always the bad.
     
  18. Claus KJ

    Claus KJ New Member

    Oct 1, 2003
    Aarhus, Denmark
    It's funny how you use Ferguson as a guiding light. This is the man who accused UEFA of rigging the CL to hinder MU's progress, called our entire team a mob that got of scotfree after the match last season, called a gathering of journalists ********ing idiots when questioned about Veron, and I could go on, and on. I'm sorry but I fail to see how calling RVN a cheat is much worse.

    http://www.football365.co.uk/features/f365_features/story_132216.shtml

    KJ
     
  19. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

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    They are all called to task and accept their punishment. Even if their opinion are more factually correct and sensible than Wenger's Ruud one.

    I made a comment about Wenger needing to be sedated before the latest cup game and was refering to that. The point is that if it was Sir Alex or anyone else doing the same to an Arsenal player, you lot would be spitting blood. That doesn't seem to be the case with us. Let's face it, given Arsenal's discipline under Wenger, there is a lot of things that could be said about your players!

    Why would it be? If the police and stewards cannot cope with the problem, then it is the only option. I personally would prefer if the teams stayed on the park, but I know that there is no other reasonable option. The referee has stated that he will take the teams off if things are bad and UEFA have said that he would be perfectly entitled to do so. Even Blatter has said that he would support a team walking off. Everyone has "accepted" that this is the best course of action, everyone except Wenger.

    I wish he would do the same. Arsenal could easily be called a "mob" for their disciplinary record under Wenger and the disgraceful scenes last season. The comment was worse because he directly called Ruud a cheat. He did not refer to one incident at all. Considering what Arsenal players have done and got away with, it makes the comments even more disgraceful (note: I'm refering to the likes of Dennis "Mind the studs/elbows" Bergkamp, amongst others!).

    Not at all. It is different because the comments are completely different, as I have mentioned directly above. Wenger is perfectly entitled to be upset and angry about it. However, that does not give him the right to unfairly state that any player always cheats.

    I haven't said that at all. However, if it was in the "heat of the moment" then why is Wenger refusing to back down? I can recall a Man Utd game just after Keane released his book. McAteer was winding up Keane for the entire game. There was an incident where Keane raised his arm while competing for the ball. Straight after the match, Sir Alex insisted that Keane was trying to shield the ball. He was told that it was an elbow and he was asked if he wanted to see the video. Fergie said yes and then agreed that it was an elbow that he had missed and that he would deal with it. What would Wenger have done it that situation? "I did not see the incident" perhaps?
     
  20. Teso Dos Bichos

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    1. Sir Alex was fined for his CL comments and later apologised.
    2. The "mob" comment was fully justified. See above.
    3. Worse has been said to the media. We all know that most are idiots looking to cause trouble and get a good story.
    4. The RVN comment was a lot worse. See above.
    5. I have never used Sir Alex as a "guiding light". Stop making things up.
    6. Nice link. Stupidly biased. It does your post no favours.
     
  21. mad theory

    mad theory New Member

    May 10, 2004
    London
    If I was manager, I probably wouldn't make a profit.
     
  22. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So calling an entire team a mob is okay because it's not directed at one particular player? Your argument is specious at best. So it's unfair to call RvN a cheat but it's fine to call the entire Arsenal team a mob even though only a few players were involved in the ring around Ruud last year? A specific incident versus general name calling? So if Wenger had said RvN was cheating in that one particular instance....you would be fine with that?

    I'm really enjoying the intuitive gymnastics in which you're engaging.....careful you don't strain something. You've essentially reinforced my point that the only reason Wenger's comments are worse is because you think they are worse.....hence your argument..."but Arsenal could be called a mob because....."

    I've admitted that both managers say regrettable things. You on the other hand strain and stretch to explain away or support SAF's actions. Geez, just look at the way you glibly dismiss the article Claus cited because it doesn't fit into your particular world view. You can continue your lobbying effort to canonize SAF but don't be surprised when people on these boards don't take you seriously.
     
  23. Lanesra

    Lanesra BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 13, 2003
    LONDON
    That was Schmiecal
     
  24. Teso Dos Bichos

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    He labeled Arsenal a mob because of that one incident last season. And it was more than a few players. Read this article and his specific comments. Not quite in the same league as player x is always a cheat.
     
  25. ArsenalGooner

    ArsenalGooner Member

    Jul 4, 2001
    Chicago, IL
    I really want to stay out of this one, but... So, are you saying that because SAF was fined and he apologized, that somehow makes it ok? He still said it- he was just sorry about it later because it affected his purse. I'm not willing to admit that I really agree with Wenger saying it outloud (though as an Arsenal fan I'm willing to agree with what he said- because it's true), but to absolve SAF of all the stupid-ass things he's said over the years because he apologized and paid a fine for things is ridiculous.
     

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