IFBs top 300 legends (1983)

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by PuckVanHeel, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Hi Dearman, how are you mate? :)

    I know Raymond Braine also played as Right Halfback in NT. I guess also as Inside Forward.

    But his peak was as CF in Czechoslovakian league, i think they used the Danubian School system, which mean the #9 played as a classical Pyramid CF, even a bit deeper, as Sindelar for example.
     
  2. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand

    I'm a little unwell after surgical removal of wisdom tooth, mate :)

    Interestingly, May I conclude from your suggestion that Raymond Braine should be considered in the same category as Sindelar and Paul Van Himst (FW not STK) ?
     
  3. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yes, but that's me.
    Mainly, for his versatility (IL in WC'38 and RHB in some friendlies) and the system played in Czech league.

    I'll search for more details.
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Raymond Braine certainly played sometimes as inside forward, and moved to deep positions when he played there. I took this from a history book covering Holland-Belgium matches and relations (who met each other most often).

    For halfback, don't you confuse him with his brother Pierre Braine? Pierre Braine played halfback, and was captain as well for some while (1930WC and 1928 Olympics).
     
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  5. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    R.Braine was mainly a CF (i repeat it) in the Danubian School System (Austria+Hungary+Czechs)

    Here's a Mitropa match in which R.Braine played as CHB (by emergency)
    http://www.iffhs.de/?29dad76b9b97699b94a89a94a85fdcdc3bfcdc0aec28d6eda8a30d
    "The Belgian had an amazing technique and many tricks, and was also an outstanding combination player, soloist and goalgetter"

    Here are some matches in which Braine had famous duels against opposing Pyramid Centrehalves (half midfield playmakers, half defenders)
    http://www.iffhs.de/?29dad76b9b94e85bd5e89a14a85fdcdc3bfcdc0aec28d6eda8a713
    http://www.iffhs.de/?29dad76b9b976bda15281ad7285fdcdc3bfcdc0aec28d6eda8a00b
    http://www.iffhs.de/?29dad76b9b97685b55e89815e85fdcdc3bfcdc0aec28d6eda8a717
     
  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Raymond Braine vs Netherlands (19 matches)
    http://www.voetbalstats.nl/spelernedxitegen.php?persid=809
    1925 - OR(1), IR (1)
    1936 - IL (1)
    1937 - IL (2)
    1938 - IR (1), IL (1)
    1939 - IL (2)


    Other teams - non CF
    1925 - OR (2), IR (1)
    1926 - OR (1), IR (1)
    1927 - IR (2)
    1937 - RHB (1), IL (4). That match was vs Germany.
    1938 - IL (5)
    1939 - IL (4)
    http://users.skynet.be/fa664658/extra/RedDevils/games.htm

    The other matches he line-up as CF. Note that the non-CF matches were in his Beerschot years.

    Total caps - 54
    http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/rbraine-intlg.html
     
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  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This are the names covered in the very good 'World Soccer from A to Z' book (1973). It's pre-internet thus not influenced that much by the magnitude of hearsay.

    Julio Cesar Abbadie
    Jozef Adamec
    Ademir
    Jose Aguas
    Florian Albert
    Jorge Albrecht
    Ivor Allchurch
    Luigi Allemandi
    Jose Altafini
    Emilio Alvarez
    Amancio
    Pietro Anastasi
    Atilio Ancheta
    Jose Leandro Andrade
    Victor Rodriguez Andrade
    Antonio Angelillo
    Pol Anoul
    Juan Anselmo
    Bram Appel
    Jimmy Armfield
    Luis Artime
    Georgi Asparoukhov
    Jose Augusto
    Bep Bakhuys
    Alan Ball
    Adolfo Baloncieri
    Gordon Banks
    Walley Barnes
    Billy Bassett
    Cliff Bastin
    Jose Carlos Bauer
    Jim Baxter
    Vladimir Beara
    Franz Beckenbauer
    Colin Bell
    Hilderaldo Bellini
    Larbi Ben Barek
    Ferenc Bene
    Orvar Bergmark
    Fulvio Bernardini
    Konstantin Beskov
    George Best
    Josef Bican
    Franz Binder
    Billy Bingham
    Sandor Biro
    Danny Blanchflower
    Steve Bloomer
    Stjepan Bobek
    Vsevolod Bobrov
    Roberto Boninsegna
    Giampiero Boniperti
    Gaspar Borbas
    Stefan Bozkov
    Jozsef Bozsik
    Pierre Braine
    Raymond Braine
    Jozsef Braun
    Ruben Bravo
    Billy Bremner
    Lucjan Brychczy
    Charlie Buchan
    Frank Buckley
    Marton Bukovi
    Ron Burgess
    Tarcisio Burgnich
    Jeno Buzanszky
    Anatoly Byshovets
    Zlatko Cajkovski
    Eric Caldow
    Umberto Caligaris
    Isacio Calleja Garcia
    Antonio Carbajal
    Johnny Carey
    Carlos Alberto
    Henry Carlsson
    Louis Carré
    Amadeo Carrizo
    Raich Carter
    Hector Castro
    Pedro Cea
    Luigi Cevenini
    John Charles
    Bobby Charlton
    Igor Chislenko
    Martin Chivers
    Clodoaldo
    Gino Colaussi
    Enrique Collar
    Bobby Collins
    Mario Coluna
    Giampiero Combi
    Terry Cooper
    Rik Coppens
    Mario Corso
    Alberto da Costa Pereira
    Bob Crompton
    Johan Cruyff
    Laszlo Cseh
    Luis Cubilla
    Teofilo Cubillas
    Stan Cullis
    Zoltan Czibor
    Danilo
    Ron Davies
    Dixie Dean
    Karl Decker
    Bertus de Harder
    Luis del Sol
    Harry Denis
    Renzo De Vecchi
    Jimmy Dickinson
    Didi
    Alfredo di Stefano
    Karol Dobias
    Tommy Docherty
    Peter Doherty
    Angelo Domenghini
    Domingos da Guia
    Derek Dougan
    Ted Drake
    Peter Ducke
    Dragan Dzajic

    I'll continue with the letter 'E' at a later moment.
     
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  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Letters E to H

    Duncan Edwards
    Herbert Erhardt
    Arsenio Erico
    Eusebio
    Bobby Evans
    Giacinto Facchetti
    Fausto
    Mate Fenyvesi
    Lorenzo Fernandez
    Giovanni Ferrari
    Attilio Ferraris
    Manuel Ferreira
    Bernabe Ferreyra
    Tom Finney
    Karoly Fogl
    Alfredo Foni
    Just Fontaine
    Neil Franklin
    Artur Friedenreich
    Agustin Gainza
    Hughie Gallacher
    Patsy Gallagher
    Gallego
    Jose Eulogio Garate
    Jesus Garay
    Garrincha
    Fransisco Gento
    Germano
    Alvaro Gestido
    Alcides Ghiggia
    Johhny Giles
    Billy Gillespie
    Nestor Goncalvez
    John Goodall
    Janos Gorocs
    Jimmy Greaves
    John Greig
    Gunnar Gren
    Ernesto Grillo
    Gyula Grosics
    Bengt Gustavsson
    Gylmar
    Wilhelm Hahnemann
    Willie Hall
    Helmut Haller
    Kurt Hamrin
    Gerhardt Hanappi
    Eddie Hapgood
    Ernst Happel
    Sam Hardy
    Franz Hasil
    Johnny Haynes
    Oscar Heisserer
    Sigi Held
    Heleno de Freitas
    Willie Henderson
    Georges Heylens
    Harry Hibbs
    Nandor Hidegkuti
    Rudi Hiden
    Erich Hof
    Richard Hofmann
    Dragan Holcer
    Ivica Horvat
    Horst-Dieter Hottges
    Joe Hulme
    Norman Hunter
    Geoff Hurst
     
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Letters I to L

    Jose Angel Iribar
    Rinus Israel
    Valentin Ivanov
    David Jack
    Alec Jackson
    Jair da Rosa Pinto
    Jairzinho
    Hans Jakob
    Alex James
    Paul Janes
    Petar Jekov
    Pat Jennings
    Hans Jeppson
    Bobby Johnstone
    Jimmy Johnstone
    Sven Jonasson
    Cliff Jones
    Robert Jonquet
    Julinho
    Joseph Jurion
    Fred Keenor
    Salif Keita
    Piet Keizer
    Tore Keller
    Jack Kelsey
    Vilmos Kertesz
    Alexei Khomich
    Murtaz Khurtsilava
    Ove Kindvall
    Lord Kinnaird
    Albin Kitzinger
    Jan Klaassens
    Sandor Kocsis
    Ivan Kolev
    Karl Koller
    Viktor Kolotov
    Kalman Konrad
    Raymond Kopa
    Lajos Koranyi
    Robert Korner
    Alfred Korner
    Bora Kostic
    Richard Kress
    Ladislao Kubala
    Ladislav Kuna
    Andreas Kupfer
    Andrej Kvasnak
    Angel Labruna
    Mihaly Lantos
    Carlos Lapetra
    Denis Law
    Tommy Lawton
    Gyula Lazar
    Francis Lee
    Kucukandonyadis Lefter
    Ernst Lehner
    Abe Lenstra
    Leonidas da Silva
    Billy Liddell
    Nils Liedholm
    Nat Lofthouse
    Gyula Lorant
    Benito Lorenzi
    Peter Lorimer
    Wlodzimierz Lubanski
     
  10. Raute

    Raute Member

    Jun 9, 2015
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Great! very intersting!!

    However, is it ranking order? or no particular order? If it is ranking, could you please post original Centre backs list too? It is hard for me to combine and rank them.
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It is roughly in (subjective) ranking order. It's not exact.

    I posted the original centre back list. The only thing I did is inserting a blank space in the middle. There's no separate list for stoppers or sweepers. If you insist I can take a photograph.
    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/ifbs-top-300-legends-1983.1990521/#post-28212154
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Letters M to P

    Billy McCracken
    Jimmy McGrory
    Jimmy McIlroy
    Dave Mackay
    Frank McLintock
    Billy McNeill
    Bob McPhail
    Mario Magnozzi
    Sepp Maier
    Gyula Mandi
    Wilf Mannion
    Marcelino
    Roger Marche
    Marcial
    Virgilio Maroso
    William Martinez
    Silvio Marzolini
    Oscar Mas
    Humberto Maschio
    Josef Masopust
    Roque Maspoli
    Roberto Matosas
    Sandor Matrai
    Stanley Matthews
    Etienne Mattler
    Mauro
    Ladislao Mazurkiewicz
    Allessandro Mazzola
    Valentino Mazzola
    Giuseppe Meazza
    Vic Mees
    David Meiklejohn
    Ernst Melchior
    Joe Mercer
    Billy Meredith
    Josef Mermans
    Kalman Meszoly
    Slava Metreveli
    Nils Middelboe
    Jackie Milburn
    Milos Milutinovic
    Severino Minelli
    Rajko Mitic
    Julio Montero Castillo
    Luis Monti
    Eraldo Monzeglio
    Bobby Moore
    Jose Manuel Moreno
    Stan Mortenson
    Alan Morton
    Coen Moulijn
    Reinhold Muenzenberg
    Jan Mulder
    Gerd Muller
    Lucien Muller
    Miguel Munoz
    Vladimir Muntian
    Jose Nasazzi
    Walter Nausch
    Ruben Navarro
    Horst Nemec
    Igor Netto
    Gunter Netzer
    Gunnar Nordahl
    Ladislav Novak
    Ernst Ocwirk
    Karl Odermatt
    Aldo Olivieri
    Raimondo Orsi
    Gyorgi Orth
    Wolfgang Overath
    Carl-Eric Palmer
    Alexei Paramonov
    Carlo Parola
    Bertie Peacock
    Adolfo Pedernera
    Joaquin Peiro
    Pelé
    Jesse Penington
    Armand Penverne
    Roberto Perfumo
    Martin Peters
    Ladislav Petras
    Pedro Petrone
    Alfred Pfaff
    Roger Piantoni
    Jose Piendibene
    Eddy Pieters-Graafland
    Silvio Piola
    Pirri
    Frantisek Planicka
    Ferenc Plattko
    Svatopluk Pluskal
    Ernest Pol
    Jan Popluhar
    Josef Posipal
    Ferenc Puskas
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Oh wait, I accidentally deleted the name of Gerson.


    Letters Q to T

    Quino
    Helmut Rahn
    Antonio Ramallets
    Alf Ramsey
    Antonio Rattin
    Pietro Rava
    Severino Reija
    Lawrie Reilly
    Hector Rial
    Fernando Riera
    Cornelis Rijvers
    Luigi Riva
    Roberto Rivelino
    Gianni Rivera
    Rivilla
    Pedro Rocha
    Jose Francisco Rojo
    Antonio Roma
    Romeu
    Virginio Rosetta
    Sven Rydell
    Leonel Sanchez
    Karoly Sandor
    Jose Francisco Sanfilippo
    Jose Santamaria
    Djalma Santos
    Nilton Santos
    Gyorgy Sarosi
    Jose Francisco Sasia
    Hector Scarone
    Hans Schaefer
    Alfred Schaffer
    Juan Schiaffino
    Angelo Schiavio
    Imre Schlosser
    Karl-Heinz Schnellinger
    Willy Schulz
    Elisha Scott
    Jimmy Scoular
    Uwe Seeler
    Juan Segarra
    Dragoslav Sekularac
    Mikhail Semichastny
    Juan Seminario
    Leon Semmeling
    Len Shackleton
    Alf Sherwood
    Albert Shesternev
    Antonio Simoes
    Nikita Simonian
    Agne Simonsson
    Ronnie Simpson
    Matthias Sindelar
    Ferenc Sipos
    Omar Sivori
    Josip Skoblar
    Lennart Skoglund
    G.O. Smith
    Gordon Smith
    Alberto Spencer
    Guillermo Stabile
    August Starek
    Billy Steel
    Ernst Stojaspal
    Eduard Streltsov
    Luis Suarez Miramontes
    Wim Suurbier
    Thorbjorn Svenssen
    Karl Svensson
    Armand Swartenbroeks
    Frank Swift
    Antal Szabo
    Fritz Szepan
    Ferenc Szusza
    Horst Szymaniak
    Jozsef Takacs
    John Thomson
    Lajos Tichy
    Hans Tilkowski
    Tim
    Pal Titkos
    Geza Toldi
    Tostao
    Jose Travacos
    Jozsef Turai
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Letters U to Z

    Jose Armando Ufarte
    Jan van Beveren
    Cor van der Hart
    Wim van Hanegem
    Puck van Heel
    Paul van Himst
    Wilfried van Moer
    Obdulio Varela
    Velibor Vasovic
    Vava
    Ernesto Vidal
    Jean Vincent
    Ted Vizard
    Emeric Vogel
    Berti Vogts
    Bernard Voorhoof
    Valeri Voronin
    Bernard Vukas
    Billy Walker
    Bobby Walker
    Tommy Walker
    Fritz Walter
    John White
    Tom Whittaker
    Roel Wiersma
    Ernest Willimowski
    Faas Wilkes
    Ray Wilson
    Vivian Woodward
    Billy Wright
    Lev Yashin
    Dimitar Yakimov
    Mikhail Yakushin
    George Young
    Mario Zagallo
    Jozsef Zakarias
    Ricardo Zamora
    Telmo Zarra
    Branko Zebec
    Zito
    Zizinho
    Karoly Zsak
    Gyula Szengeller
     
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  15. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Very good list. Are there profiles of the players or are just the names mentioned?
     
  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Yes, each player has a write-up. The length can vary and sometimes lesser names receive more space as bigger names (from the same country). In that respect there are sometimes oddities.
     
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  17. Puskas 1988

    Puskas 1988 Member

    Dec 9, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Ok, I know I am, like, two years and a half late, but I feel like this is of immediate relevance to my thread about the 1910s. This is great because it's one of the "official" proof I was looking for regarding Schlosser's status. He is in the list. And those were the years in which the internet craze for weird statistics hadn't started yet. Really interesting.
     
  18. Puskas 1988

    Puskas 1988 Member

    Dec 9, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    And I see he is in this list, too. Mmh. Curioser and curioser, to quote Lewis Carroll.

    puck, would it be too much to ask to post / copy here the profile given to Schlosser in that book?

    Thanks in advance! :)
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Couldn't access the book earlier.

    Here it is:
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  20. Puskas 1988

    Puskas 1988 Member

    Dec 9, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    :thumbsup:Thanks very much, that helps a lot!
     

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