OK, so FSW Report says that the single-piece kits that some African national team unveiled recently are either to be banned or at least heavily frowned upon. So....what about the untraditional jerseys you see in North America, particularly in MLS. Were there any rulings on having the team name on the front-center rather than either a sponsor or nothing at all?
Does my proverbial textbook scribbling in this post help you understand my original post better, sir?
No joke, why would you look straight to the MLS when a ruling is made? Cameroon has tried the 'different' kit shenanigan twice lately and it is getting old. Mainly because both kits were god-awful ugly. And as far as having no sponsor on the front of the shirt, neither does Barcelona. But it is much easier to pick on America's young league than a top European club......
It was Cameroon: I can't understand why this is an issue for FIFA. Sepp is certainly a tool. The advantage of this kit is that it would eliminate shirt pulling, which is one of the reasons why shirts are often required to be tucked in. But to answer the question, I believe the only comment about jerseys is that their removal in celebration deserves a caution. The location or lack of sponsorship or other logos is not an issue. What would be the appropriate discipline for removing a unitard after a goal?
where in the laws of the game does it say a complete jersey must have a sponsor at center or small badge at the upper right or center chest? Where does it say anything about names and badges at all? Read Law IV. Tell me:
Has there ever been a "ruling" on this? What has this got to do with MLS? What exactly is your point, sir?
Amendments and addendums These previous decisions of the FA Board: have themselves been modified. The sleeve comment is a direct response to Camaroon's girls' jersey from the last African Nations Cup. The new IFAB rule will cut the first statement off after "Shirt." They will probably add a blurb that shirts and shorts are to be distinct garments. Fortunately for Convey, they are likely to make no statement about panties.
Wow. A simple question of mine bringing so much hostility. My rationale, as if it needs even to be explained, is that North America is generally the only place in the world where I've seen the team name be allowed in BIG letters rather than just a small crest in the top corner. I didn't know if maybe that fact is another sore spot with FIFA, as are many of the mutations of soccer in general that we espouse here. That said, I have read Law IV before. I was just asking if maybe text was added or changed in the IFAB meeting in order to make MLS conform a little better. I dodn't feel strongly either way about Cameroon's jerasey (thanks fo the pic, btw). I guess I'm kind of happy, though, because I don't want the World Cup to ever wind up looking like the Tour De Farce...er, I mean France (whole different thread, sorry).
Funny thing is, given some of FIFA's statements and rulings in the past about advertising, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they decided no longer to allow the "traditional" emblazoning of sponsor logos on jerseys. From that perspective, MLS would actually be ahead of the curve in some respects. Imagine that!
I have this image in my head of the scene after a friendly and all the Cameroon players are walking off the field in their jocks carrying the other team's jerseys.
This post is truly precious. I never would think in a thousand years that the IFAB would somehow think that sponsor's logos are somehow better to be placed largely and prominently on shirts than THE NAME OF THE FRICKIN' TEAM, but I'm apparently not imaginative enough. Congratulations, Nacional Tijuana, you have truly made my day.
Look at almost every bloody team in the rest of the world. Look at many of the jerseys in the USL. I personally think majority should dictate tradition. But oh well. Hmmmm. Interesting thoughts. And I do concede that traditions change over the years. I think sponsors on jerseys startred in the 70's. Maybe by 2040 or so, the likes of Bayern Munich will have an MLS-style jersey.
Pumas At risk of playing your game, don't Pumas in Mexico also have an "untraditional" look about them? Don't know why MLS would be your first thought. In addition, many of the A-League teams also have team name or logo in the middle of the shirt. Cripes, if a team in Wales can go by the name Total Network Solutions, why can't North American teams put their logo smack in the middle.
Playing my game? I hate Pumas, but yes, they do put the team logo front and center, you are right. The A-League (top rung of the USL) has gotten away from that. VB still does, and so do a few others, but I think VB may be ditching that. The rest of the USL is slowly coming around to an aesthetic more consistent with the rest of the world. As far as the Welsh club, I'm not sure how they figure into my thread, but just to humor you, I'll address it. I think those names are fine, as long as the company in question owns the team. Not sure if that's true for TNS, but oh well. Nothing I can control.
Nacional Tijuana, I'm not to trying to bite your head off or anything, but your question does seem a little lacking in the logic department. As another poster pointed out, why in the world would it be inappropriate to have the club's name across the front of a jersey, but perfectly fine to have a commercial sponsor across the front?
Perhaps you aren't, but some of the others indeed are. I'm just curious simply because it's MY preference (not yours, not his, not hers, but mine) to see either blank, as in current Barcelona FC, or sponsored, as in future Barcelona FC. In general, I just don't think team logos look all that good, and the space is better used for advertizers' money. It's a legitimate question for which I'm still not sure I've gotten an answer, so, I'll interpret the following: as a "no, sir, there was nothing said on uniforms at IFAB" and be on my merry way.
You list Malmo as a favorite team in your profile, so have you actually looked at a Swedish team's uniform? They have as many ads as a Mexican team has and they are all over the freaking shirts, shorts, and socks! Fifa tried to get involved in regulating this by limiting ads to the shirt, but many teams would have been hard-pressed to make up for the lost revenue and it backed down. Also, until the last year or so, Peterborough in England placed its nickname "The Posh" on the front of the shirt instead of a sponsor. This is not unique to the US. Fifa sets the basic laws of the game. For uniforms, all it says is shirts, shorts, and socks and that each team must wear different colors. Notice that the laws say nothing about numbers on shirts. Specific uniform requirements such as sponsor logos and numbers are reserved for individual competition authorities, so I doubt Fifa will regulate such a thing, ever. I also don't see why they would bother either because each competition is going to do a better job of determining its needs when an issue is not addressed by the laws of the game.
Thanks Bill and Hala. The long and short of it is that FIFA only mandates 'shirt, shorts and socks' and does not (and will not) govern placement of team logos, names, etc. Besides. In the US it is very common for athletic teams to have either the city name or the team nickname on the front of the shirt.
Thank you, CUS. That is all I was looking for. IFAB said nothing. Very well. lol at billf. Yes. I like their colors. I like their logos. What's at issue here, buddy?
There aren't too many Cities in the USA that can get away without doing that though. Teams in other countries don't need to have their team name on the shirt, as the shirt itself is easily recognisable as it has been very similar for that team in the same city for about 100 years. In USA you have new teams popping up everywhere and teams moving from city to city, so you need to have them labled in big letters so people will know who they are when they see them. This may not be all of it, but i'm sure it is part of it.
Good point, especially in our lower divisions, aka USL (A-League, PSL, PDL). And what if MLS winds up folding, as some people seem to think it will soon (I know it's losing money, but crowds are still there, it seems; just gotta build those stadiums! ).
Irregardless of the transient nature of some lower level sports leagues, I was looking at the Cubs, Bulls and other big three sports unis. They all seem to have the names of the teams on the home whites, the name of the city on the aways.