Your the one taking the easy way out. I actually explained to you reasons, which you haven't argued against and have just chosen to focus on the point that will deflect attention away from the fact that you can't argue against what i am saying. You and them are disagreeing based on different reasoning. They are saying it would be unfair to small clubs, and i have told them how it wouldn't be and they are yet to reply to those points. You are saying fans would revolt at no TV games and it's unfair to internationally based fans. And i have explained to you that, and you have yet to reply to that... Of course, but it still doesn't force clubs to actively grow rather than stand still take the money while they can. Clubs should be trying to compete in the top flight not trying to survive as long as possible. PROGRESS. Obviously this takes more than this, and as i have said i am for more measures which level the playing field more. I am against small clubs with their small mentalities sitting in the prem taking the money and just surviving (not trying to grow) when many of the clubs with more deserving fanbases get relegated or are languishing in the lower leagues. Of course i see this, that is why i am saying it should be put on the line. You fail to see that! I am not niave, you just don't understand the culture of football. We are supporters, we support a club that most of us don't choose, we don't try on different brands to will find one that we like. And fans that do get castigated for it. And that's why big clubs are generally hated. There will be a massive backlash against the modern consumerism version of football. There are articles a plenty about it on the net, some by respected journalists. What with their huge overspending and debt. Manchester united have nearly £1 billion worth! Ticking time bomb It's all well and good saying that, but you don't actually prove it by highlighting where... The game spread through people going to live games and playing it. TV is spreading a different version of the game. Where people are watchers not players or active fans. People in every country should support their domestic leagues actively and help them grow, not put money in the pockets premadonnas(who i don't actually begrudge the money). The main reason for an international blackout is because of the rise of streaming. The only way to stop that is to blackout everywhere, and i have a feeling one day streaming will get to such a quality that TV rights will lose value anyway. Just like p2p file sharing and the music industry.. Of course i do, and i think it's a joke that a club is on TV and can't even sell out and so do many people I know. Even the media comment on it! I watch as a neutral, my club near always sell out Club football, international football is unrelated to this matter. Stop shifting the goal posts to try and prove a point Didn't harm them before the rise of regular live televised football, less than 20 years ago... I hope they do stop raiding the world, leagues should be representative of there nation. The italian league is, The german league is and the spanish league is. The English league isn't. I like having foreigners here, but having a team full of foreigners you have signed is a trifle artificial imho... The italian league is Italian owned, the German league is german owned, the spanish league is Spanish owned. It's not right that a billionaire with no connections to a club can come in and turn things upside down for profit or other. We should have fan owned clubs, like the model in Germany (barca, real madrid etc). Football should be not-for-profit. That is all the money the game makes should be plowed back into the game. Either through better facilities for fans, academies and the grass routes! These people aren't trying to make the game grow, they are trying to make as much money as possible out of the game. The game grew massively before the days of television, television has brought money to the game not new fans in droves. This last point once again proves you haven't read or listened to a word i have said. It is nothing to do with correlation. 1. The point was to link selling out to TV revenue. Not to TV time, as most teams aren't on television (SERIOUSLY HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS). 2. The reason i mentioned TV blackouts is to stop clubs only caring about themselves. If manchester united know they wouldn't be on telly if club X doesn't sell out then they would encourage them to do so. This was a secondary point to stop selfishness from clubs, it wasn't the main point but you have turned it into that for crying out loud. This is the problem with the internet, everyone takes it off on their own tangent and doesn't read what you say....
That depends on the previous term of the contract of course, and how stable it was. You are assuming that teams won't sell out. If teams didn't sell out then the contract would go down and the clubs would deserve a smaller contract. However if they did sell out it wouldn't make in difference to the value. The contract may even be linked to the amount of live games, so it remains at the same value as long as all games are shown. How do you work that out, it would never be a worthless product. No matter if only half the games were able to be shown, it would still have value. Stop thinking in black and white.
Not really it is the only way to make sure clubs have grounds that suit their percieved size. Yeah and if you read what i said, it doesn't go up every season it goes up in batches. Here is a list of the clubs who have spent at least one of the last 25 years in the top flight, I'd say if you batch into 5 year groups going up by 5,000 from 25,000 (after 5 seasons) more or less every team would have a capacity/fanbase that fits no... Manchester United 25 Arsenal 25 Liverpool 25 Everton 25 Tottenham Hotspur 25 Aston Villa 24 Chelsea 23 Southampton 22 Newcastle United 20 West Ham United 20 Coventry City 18 ManchesterCity 16 Sheffield Wednesday 15 Leeds United 14 Nottingham Forest 14 Blackburn Rovers 14 Wimbledon 14 Middlesbrough 14 Queen's Park Rangers 13 Norwich City 12 Leicester City 12 Charlton Athletic 12 Derby County 11 Sunderland 10 Luton Town 9 Bolton Wanderers 9 Ipswich Town 8 Crystal Palace 7 Watford 7 Fulham 7 BirminghamCity 7 Portsmouth 6 West BromwichAlbion 6 Sheffield United 5 Oldham Athletic 3 Wigan Athletic 3 Oxford United 3 Reading 2 Notts County 2 Millwall 2 Stoke City 2 Bradford City 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 Barnsley 1 Swindon Town 1 HullCity 0 You get a few seasons grace to sort yourself out of course. The point is also to stop clubs just "surviving", but obviously it takes more than just this, but i don't like clubs who say Europe is a curse and don't try and better themselves the (money orientated) premier league has done that. Not really, I am no fan of franchises. As i have repeatedly said i think clubs should be fan owned. I just hate clubs like Blackburn et al leeching of the premier league. There are more than 20 clubs deserving of top flight football, but there are also clubs in the top flight who don't deserve it.
Define 'deserve'. Blackburn are in the Premiership because they've earnt their place on the field. If you want a franchise system where clubs are invited into the top division based on catchment area then just say so.
Your right ideasman tv has not added any new fans. Kids emulate what they see on tv and then go out and try to do it. Even in England they do this. I know, I've mentored young kids in Bristol. To say I don't read what you say is pretty presuming, don't you think? How do you know if I did or didn't? I obviously took the time to respond to some of what you said, but not everyone has 24 free hours a day like you do to reply to each quote on the board. So lets say we go with your idea. And all premier league clubs start selling out every single match. It will get to a point where owners can again drive up the price. Because they know they are gonna sell out regardless. And a lot of times like in the NFL blackout rule will be in effect. A sponsor will just buy up the tickets so the game will be shown on tv. Then only the wealthiest of fans can see their club play. What about the small working man who can't afford to go to every game, but his team doesn't sell out. He has no alternative. Atleast now he has a tv option or internet to follow his club. I do agree with your take on not for profit and the Barcelona model. One of the reasons they are my favorite club outside of my country. I'm all for putting money back into football. To me, it's about winning and that is the most important thing. So yes Manchester United is in debt, but they are such a brand that the debt will never have to be paid. The whole world is basically in debt so I wouldn't expect anything different from football clubs. I don't know how many games are shown in England but here in the United States just the Premier League alone has 6-8 games shown a weekend. You wouldn't have the skill set you do without video. Teams use this. Players use this to increase the skill. Why are you trying to go backwards on the technology. AW is big on video training. Not only can you learn from doing things, being told what to do, but watching things on tv can also help you learn.
The idea has some merits in a Utopian world but also some draw backs. Since we live in the real world, the plan becomes totally unworkable. There are countless ideas to improve the game on every level that will never happen. It's part of life. You don't support Wigan to see them win the title. You don't follow Wigan because there is a butt every 12 inches in the crowd. You don't follow Wigan because they play the best football. Wigan fans know their role, as does the owner, the players, and the manager. Trying to fix Wigan or any other club by getting people to show up in a rugby town is rather foolish and does little to actually improve the game or the league. Having read through the thread, I must say I don't agree with all of the arguments against the plan, but going through line by line addressing the problems isn't worth my time because the idea will never be used and would never work anyway. I'm not trying to stop the debate, I just feel there are realistic changes that could be made that deserve greater discussion.
That isn’t actually our problem. Since we got promoted the media seem to have built Wigan Warriors up into some sort of world sporting superpower who have to lock 10,000 fans outside the ground every time they play. In reality their average attendance this season is around 14,000. They released some demographics on their official website a few months ago. Something like 40% of their fans come from outside Wigan, 55% are women and 60% are over 60 years of age. So really we aren’t both going after the same demographic. The fact is, to put it plainly, that there aren’t enough people who care about Wigan enough to pay £20 every two weeks to watch them play at home. But that doesn’t make those that do turn up any less passionate, or less deserving, of Premier League football.
So Rugby attendance is down, possibly due to being 9th or 10th in the table right now yes? So maybe that says something in itself. What Wigan needs to fill the stands is victory. But the numbers didn't bounce that much when Wigan was 7th did they? So maybe winning combined with belief, as well as a better economy in the north of England, and then Wigan will have more butts in seats.
Well what would I change: -Players can be subbed like in basketball, as many times as they need. -Each team has 3 time outs per half. -An assigned field player can use his hands in the middle circle. -I would add trampolines in the half circle at the top of the area, like slam ball or that old USMNT commercial. -One player chosen by the coach will carry a headset to talk with the coach about tactics, and he can direct them to the players -If you score from outside of the box, it counts as three goals, from the 18 yard box its a 2 pointer, inside the 6 yard box a 1 pointer. -Refs can change spots, so if one gets tired the 4th ref can come in and then they can change at will. -Teams can choose between Wood floor, grass clay or sand to have in their stadium, therefore giving teams true home field advantage. Oh wait we want to improve the game not ruin it!!!
I'm sure that is part of it, but I can't see how it isn't more complicated than that. Though to be fair, I love a good conspiracy, and I have a theory that Maggie Thatcher sucked the jobs, money, and people out of the north in an attempt to kill northern football. It took a few years, but she succeeded. A bit too far out?
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Also, all values of goals will be tripled in the last five minutes, just like they do on game shows!!