If Bush lied about WMD, then what do you call this?

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  1. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
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    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

    "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

    "Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

    "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

    "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

    "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

    "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

    "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

    "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

    "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

    "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

    "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

    "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

    "Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

    "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

    "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

    "(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

    "Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

    "Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

    "Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

    "Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

    "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
     
  2. Dante

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    Bad intelligence?
     
  3. ElJefe

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    I call that "something that you forwarded from someone else."

    But none of those people who are allegedly quoted are the one president who decided to invade. (I say "allegedly" because the history of the Internet is rife with e-mails containing alleged quotes from people that turn out to be fabricated. Just ask my boy Nostradamus.)

    And the buck stops with that president.
     
  4. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, weapons of mass destruction. Key goal of the military campaign is finding those weapons of mass destruction. None have been found yet. There was a raid on the Answar Al-Islam Camp up in the north last night. A lot of people expected to find ricin there. None was found. How big of a problem is that? And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction?

    SEC. RUMSFELD: Not at all. If you think -- let me take that, both pieces -- the area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/t03302003_t0330sdabcsteph.html


    I don't see any of the quotes above stating "we know where the WMDs are". So, Donald, if we know where they are, why don't you show them to us. No? OK, show us the specific intelligence that led you to make such a specific statement. Still no? Hmmm, maybe there was nothing there..........
     
  5. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
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    Bush lied, people die.

    Or Bush lied, one soldier a day.

    Simple like that.
     
  6. Norsk Troll

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  7. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Striong enough for a man, gentle enough for a neocon

    *sniff sniff*

    I smell neocon desperation.

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    Anyway, this is the fourth or fifth time this same garbage has been profferred here. The last time was by Bill Archer. It's been kicked to the curb by reality each time. So why do you guys keep trying to fob off the same thrice-refuted nonsense all the time? Isn't doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result each time one definition of insanity?
     
  8. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    This is why Rumsfeld is a genius. I'm serious. Imagine trying to come up with an answer like that. And, face it, he was telling the truth.
     
  9. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Alex, you've done it. I'm convinced. Bush didn't lie. Nor did Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al. In fact, I think that if a true investigation was ever attempted, we'd find that Hillary was behind the whole operation. That's why we'll never know. The Feminazi -- Hillary -- Barbara Streisand -- Casey-Werner cabal will stifle all attempts at getting to the bottom of things. Goodness gracious, man -- did you see Janet Jackson's breast on TV or not? That's the first sign: it means six months before we strike.
     
  10. Qdog

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    I just read your whole link and I don´t see how the quotes were highly refuted. What I saw was a number of anti-Bush posters gang up on a few supporters of the Iraq War.

    I think most people believed Saddam had or was trying to develop WMD, including most of the posters on this board that continue to call Bush a liar because they haven´t shown up.

    The bigger failings of the Bush administration is the failure to fully develop a reason to invade and their unbelievable terrible war plan. They never really put together the Iraq-Al Queda link that was needed to justify the WMD angle (mainly because it didn´t exist). Nor did the Bushies build on the humanitarian need for the war.

    As for the Bush war plan, I could have done better with a video game. Not nearly enough invading troops or police forces, too cheap to pay the Iraqi military so they left them unemployed with their guns, and putting our support troops in what amounts to front line duty. I´ve said it before, if Bush wins the election it will be because of the boots on the ground.
     
  11. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
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    This first quote completely shows what a flaming ass-clown you are. Why, because you, like many republicans before you, have decided to selectively ignore the constitution. The bill that passed giving the president the powers to use force to DISARM IRAQ of it's WMD. It was passed on the assumption that Iraq HAD WMD which the bush administration said it did. The legal impetus for the war was to disarm an armed Iraq which clearly did not happen. What lies below is from the constitution:

    "Article. I.
    Section 1.
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
    Section. 8.
    Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

    It seems to me that president Bush broke the rules of war set out by congress. Impeachment anyone?
     
  12. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    I'd be willing to bet that every single one of those quotes was taken completely out of context of a longer letter or statement. In fact a Google search of the first one finds the entire letter:

    http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Letters, reports and statements/levin-10-9-98.html

    And ONLY the excerpt Axis Alex quoted was on Rush Limbaugh's site and on NewsMax. Then, of course, the idiot dittoheads cut and pasted from those sites to their own.

    Here's the entire text of the second excerpt. The dittoheads must be running scared.

    Bush is done. He will not win reelection.
     
  13. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
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    I bet that these are the freerepub emails alex and bill receiving daily. It might even come with instructions: my fellow freerepublicans, do post these to your favorite message boards.

    After that, the rest is history
     
  14. Dan Loney

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    Happy reading, Q.
     
  15. Matrim55

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  16. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

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    Oh, by the way. Bush lied.
     
  17. Qdog

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    I hope you didn´t waste too much time searching for that site.
     
  18. TheSlipperyOne

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    Re: Striong enough for a man, gentle enough for a neocon

    That's what they do. Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc.
     
  19. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    Re: Re: Striong enough for a man, gentle enough for a neocon

    Yep. They take a paragraph or two from an entire letter or speech completely out of context, and make it seem as if the words say something else entirely.
     
  20. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Alex, I looked at all of your quotes, and didn't find the name of Howard Dean.

    And that's why Howard Dean is not the front runner today. He is telling the truth. Truth is no welcome in Washington.

    These are politicians, opportunitists. They always say things that are mostly in fashion.

    But still these can't compare to Bush's and Blair's lies which make "one soldier a day" a reality.
     

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