If "Big Government" is so wasteful, why is Massachusetts so successful?

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  1. tomwilhelm

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    #1 tomwilhelm, May 14, 2012
    Don’t Mess with Massachusetts
    It may be everyone’s punching bag, but it’s time to face facts: The Bay State is best.

    Yes, this is a bit personal. I live in Massachusetts and just bought a multi-family home here.

    But I would hope to extend this to the much larger discussion (and pull it out of the "fail" threads a bit) of what forms of governance actually WORK here in the US, which ones clearly don't, and which approaches might be best applied at the federal level.

    Consider the floor open for debate...
     
  2. DoctorD

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    #2 DoctorD, May 14, 2012
    I lived in MA during the 80s. Teddy K and Tip O'Neill brought a lot of federal $$ into the state.
     
  3. JohnR

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    #3 JohnR, May 14, 2012
    Substitute Sweden, Norway, Germany, California (with some caveats), NYC, etc. and you'd have another good article.

    It's not hard to find great places that are "socialist." Tougher to find those that are not.

    My kid's HS counselor told his (Illinois) class that the most difficult situation when applying for colleges was to from a public HS in Massachusetts. Too much supply -- too many great students coming from that state. From the socialist I mean public high schools.
     
  4. Dr Jay

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    #4 Dr Jay, May 14, 2012
    Your
    Your guidance counselor got it half right.

    The most difficult situation is applying to college from a PRIVATE HS in Massachusetts.
     
  5. JohnR

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    #5 JohnR, May 14, 2012
    Side note ... but really? It's not like that here.
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    #6 Cascarino's Pizzeria, May 14, 2012
  7. Chris M.

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    #7 Chris M., May 14, 2012
    You have multi-families? Did Mitt pass that polygamy stuff while he was governor too?
     
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  8. argentine soccer fan

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    #8 argentine soccer fan, May 14, 2012
    So if Massachusetts is a socialist state, then it follows that its former governor must be a socialist. Which means we'll be stuck with a socialist president either way. God bless America!
     
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  9. Dr. Wankler

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    #9 Dr. Wankler, May 14, 2012
    They are also both crony capitalists.
     
  10. American Brummie

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    #10 American Brummie, May 14, 2012
    Crony capitalism=socialism is quite possibly the second worst insult hurled at our CiC, right behind "Muslim and Reverend Wright supporter."
     
  11. Auriaprottu

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    #11 Auriaprottu, May 14, 2012
    Then you haven't seen this week's Newsweek cover. Everyone's pulling out all the stops on my country's president.
     
  12. tomwilhelm

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    #12 tomwilhelm, May 14, 2012
    It's too bad the (Newsweek) cover gets all the attention, since it's a stupid cover. The article is good though. Hopefully people manage, you know, to actually read it...
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

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    #13 Matt in the Hat, May 14, 2012
    Big state governments are fine by me. Besides most of the "big government" complainers are from welfare states to begin with.
     
  14. Chris M.

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    #14 Chris M., May 14, 2012
    Stop posting and watch the Rangers/Devils.
     
  15. Matt in the Hat

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    #15 Matt in the Hat, May 14, 2012
    It was over after the first goal. Marty just didn't have it tonight.
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

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    #16 argentine soccer fan, May 14, 2012
    Many socialists are, behind the scenes. Like the Kirchners.
     
  17. American Brummie

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    #17 American Brummie, May 14, 2012
    Newsweek, putting out an outrageous cover? Not them!!!
     
  18. Auriaprottu

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    #18 Auriaprottu, May 15, 2012
    I'll get around to it soon enough. But the cover is poor and sensationalist. Dismissing it because it's only the cover misses the point.
     
  19. cleansheetbsc

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    #19 cleansheetbsc, May 15, 2012
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  20. Chris M.

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    #20 Chris M., May 15, 2012
    Seemed like only 21 shots by the Devils was a bigger problem.
     
  21. That Phat Hat

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    #21 That Phat Hat, May 15, 2012
    I realize that the cover has to sell the magazine, a low tech SEO if you will, not necessarily provide a 100% honest portrayal of the content, but this is the second high-profile Obama cover that mis-sells the cover article in recent times (the other one being "Why are Obama's critics so dumb?" cover for Andrew Sullivan's article). It does the product, which isn't terrible, a great disservice.
     
  22. tomwilhelm

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    #22 tomwilhelm, May 15, 2012
    This article is by Sullivan as well.

    It pisses me off, because people need to read more of his work.
     
  23. That Phat Hat

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    #23 That Phat Hat, May 15, 2012
    Yeah, as much as I disagree with him on the role of government, he is about the only smart conservative commentator with any sort of platform.
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

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    #24 Matt in the Hat, May 15, 2012
    They needed to do a lot more with that 2nd period. That was the opportunity.
     
  25. Matt in the Hat

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    #25 Matt in the Hat, May 15, 2012
    If only he liked girls...
     
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