If america becomes good

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by fargonole, Jul 16, 2005.

  1. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    the cricket world cup is international competition. the baseball teams here are club teams that are better than any club teams anywhere else in the world.
     
  2. white riot

    white riot Member+

    England
    Apr 27, 2005
    Southampton, England
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Wouldn't the Cubans have something to say about that.
     
  3. lamrof

    lamrof Member

    Apr 8, 2005
    Trust me the common American do not know about the outside world as much as say a Japanese, a French, a Peruvian, a Togolese would.

    This is a fact. It is distressing how ignorant the common American man/woman/child is when it comes to the world. Why oh Why? There is unparalleled acess to information (an over kill of it).
     
  4. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    i hope maybe you're smart enough to realize that your being a huge hypocrite. you are saying we stereotype people outside of the us as being terrorists or ingrates, while your doing the same exact thing to people from this country. so what is it that you know about the world that i don't? if you come up with something that just blows me away then i will completely change my mind and agree with you. but the truth is i , and most other americans, know plenty about the world. and we know that we make stupid decisions regarding the rest of the world sometimes. we are no where near as blind as you make us out to be.
     
  5. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    no because all the cubans, and puerto ricans that play in those leagues all leave there to come play in our league. it is much like the mls players leaving to play in the oversea established leagues. but in baseball we are the better and established league.
     
  6. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    everyone keeps saying that we do not know about the outside world, but i have not heard anyone say anything about what it is we do not know. i think it is either because you can come up with nothing that is completely new to us, or you yourselves have no idea what goes on outside your country. i think that all the stuff you say goes on in our country also goes on in yours. you grow up hearing all of this about americans, just like we grow up hearing things about terrorism and foreigners. i don't think half of the people who have posted about americans really know themselves what they are talking about. i think they probably heard it from their parents who heard it from their parents and so on. i doubt many people have actually talked with an american about stuff like this, and actually considered that maybe americans arent as ignorant as everyone has made them out to be. i have nothing against anyone outside the US. i would actually like to live outside the US someday so that i could be around a higher class of football. i just don't understand why everyone thinks they are the expert on the ignorance of americans.
     
  7. The Double

    The Double Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Denver
    What a great thread title.
     
  8. fargonole

    fargonole New Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    united if you have been abroad for an extended period of time you would know how ignorant we are about our own country and the rest of the world. where do we get our information, the media you moron. yeah, i can throw insults around too.

    we have our good points too. but, everybody already knows those here. and i shouldnt have to say that so you dont start throwing insults around. its like talking to 10 year olds most of the time.

    and united i have talked to everybody i know about our country. its like talking to a wall. and most dont even want to talk about it and these are college grads and people in grad school. and im no expert, but at least i have seen america from an outside perspective for an extending period of time. that doesnt make me better then anyone else, but frustrating because i realize how ignorant and arrogant we are. makes for unhealthy, illogical decisions.

    and you wanted an example united. here is one. i could name more, but my job is not to educate you. many americans say if it werent for us the world would be speaking german. this is not reality. once germany invaded russia they were going to lose. russia was bulldozing throw eastern europe and america, britain, canda had to speed up their invasion of western europe because we were scared that russia would conquer some of western europe. america did speed up the end of the war and maybe perserved western europe from communism. but, it did not save europe from hitler. hitler's dimise was already in hand with operation barborosa before we ever really got involved with western europe. we were more concerned with japan.
     
  9. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    this again is what i'm talking about. you say MANY americans believe that. i am one of the americans who doesn't believe that. i know getting japan to surrender was more important to the US, and that is why they did not land in Europe for quite a while in the first place. until you can say all americans believe that or all americans are ignorant about the rest of the world then quit criticizing the country as a whole.
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That is a farfetched premise if I've ever seen one. But if we want to imagine a scenario in which the USA becomes good enough to be a top soccer power, I'd say it could happen, but only after Americans embrace soccer to a much greater extent than they are embracing it now. So, I don't think people will resent it for that reason, because at that point it won't be a valid reason anymore except perhaps from a historical perspective.

    Some people will still resent US soccer for other reasons, like because they personally don't like the USA. Or they may resent US soccer if the US players develop a superiority attitude, like the US basketball players in the olympics. I love the USA, and yet it was sweet to watch those guys go down.
     
  11. Spectreman

    Spectreman New Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    NW America
    If America becomes good and someday it will the World Cup will collapse. The US will win year after year and the other countries will lose all hope. Also the MLS will eventually become the strongest league in the world and all the good players will go their. When this happens the rest of the world will start playing traditional american sports instead. I predict by 2070 America will be obsessed with football and the rest of the world will be obsessed with b-ball, baseball and Am. Football.
     
  12. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Blame the newspapers:

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wsmenu.shtml
     
  13. fargonole

    fargonole New Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    united you make a good point. it isnt everybody. but, its a majority.

    and how old are you? are you in college? you said that you plan on going abroad. would that be a study abroad during college? if so i suggest going anywhere, but england, ireland, scotland, austraila, canada, new zealand. they are too similar to america, esp. austraila and canada. you wont get to see the usa from an outside persepective as much as you might want.

    also, if you need any help or any questions i would be more then happy to help you in regards to study abroad.
     
  14. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, I'll admit it--I'm 46 years old. I cannot foresee the United States becoming dominant in soccer in my lifetime. They may be able to win a World Cup title before I pass on, but I just don't see them as being a quadrennial threat to win the world championship. Our soccer talent has improved since we qualified for the World Cup in 1990 (first time in 40 years), but I think it's much more difficult to sustain a high ranking over the years. Countries like Brazil and Germany have the sport ingrained in them at such an early age that their kids stick with it through adulthood.

    While soccer may be the biggest sporting activity for the under-12 age group, very few of the kids go on to make an impression by the time they are 20. For example, I live in a small town in Illinois. We probably have more kids playing soccer on Saturday mornings in the fall than those who play baseball, softball, basketball, or football at other times of the year. However, by the time they are 14 or 16 years old, most will have been to a professional baseball or football game in nearby St. Louis than have ever witnessed or participated in a competitive soccer match. Even if St. Louis had a professional soccer team, I know most of those kids that once played soccer would rather their dads took them to see the Rams or Cardinals play. To me, that's pretty sad, even though it would make for a long day-trip to Kansas City or Chicago to watch the Wizards and Fire play. Maybe it's burnout on part of these kids or the lack of a pro team that is closer to go watch that makes their interest wane.

    I for one enjoy most sports. Many are boring at times, particularly baseball, which is my least favorite of the major sports. I like football and basketball, but the use of timeouts make the games drag out too much. Hockey is OK too, and I missed not being able to see games this past season. What I try to do with my friends that know little or nothing about soccer is to invite them to watch a game with me on television. I had to educate myself on the rules and some of the nuances of play, and hopefully my pals would do the same, but I only criticize them for criticizing the sport when they don't give it a fair chance (watching a game or sport you don't care about for less than 5 minutes is not a fair chance, in my book).

    I consider Brazil and Germany to be the most consistent nations when it comes to soccer. They always seem to be threats to take the big competitions. While I look at them wistfully in terms of USA success, I enjoy watching them play the game and don't consider them to be too lucky when they do win (although fans in Argentina, Uruguay, France, Italy, England, and Spain would think otherwise!). Therefore, I don't mind it when they seem to clean up the hardware at World Cups, because both sides are usually enjoyable to watch. They play with great skill, enthusiasm, and sportsmanship which makes for likable champions. Any nation that displays such talent and plays within the rules of the game should not be resented regardless of who they are or what their foreign policies are. Yeah, I know, probably a pipe dream--and I'm not trying to sound like a FIFA hack. I really think global sports like soccer can do more to bring people to a better understanding of the world they live in, than foreign policies espoused by a handful of bureaucrats who think they know what's best for the people of the nations they represent.
     
  15. United9006

    United9006 New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    thanks. i'm currently at a local university, but hope to transfer somewhere larger soon. i am hoping to leave the US for a while soon after i graduate. where would you recommend going? i would like to go somewhere where i can see good soccer, and i am interested to see the US from the perspective that you talk about.
     
  16. lamrof

    lamrof Member

    Apr 8, 2005
    Americans (US) assume the rest of the world act,think like us, The Japanese think of themselves as unique.

    I asked my boss in IBM where Saudi Arabia was, she told me in Argentina.

    I saw on tv this American guy pissed because his taxi driver did not have a spare tyre, because he was delayed refused to pay the fare and called the cops. The cops arrested him.

    In California an African old lady, visiting her children for the first time in the US, on her first day alone in the apartment when her childern left for work, makes coffe and goes about to knock on the naibours doors. Confused naibours peeking through their window, saw this lady with no way to communicate whatsoever decided to call the cops. Cops came, try to talk to her with no avail. Before they take her to jail, as a last resort, found the work phone of one of her sons and asked him to come right away. Confused and worried he asks his Mother, who is now surrounded with cops and on-lookers. He turns and explains to all, she just wants to invite everyone for coffe as is custom in her country.

    No people on earth do and talk about the rest of the world and assume People are like us, as much as citizens of USA.
     
  17. lamrof

    lamrof Member

    Apr 8, 2005

    Play like Brazillians, there is a chance in the next 20 years. Play like Mexico, Paraguay, Greece, even England, Germany, basically the rest of the world,
    No chance in hell in the next 20 years. More like 40 years, yes.
     
  18. a_guy

    a_guy New Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    Texas
    I'm going to settle this argument once and for all because I'm tired of reading all this baseball crap on SOCCER boards.

    The reason that the United States calls their Baseball championship the WORLD series is not because they are arrogant or because the country contains the top clubs in the world, it is because back in 18-something, or maybe even 19-something (I can't remember. It was a very long time ago :) ), the championship series was sponsored by a Newspaper called "The World", hence the name "The World Series". Look it up. It's true.

    (Don't you wish someone else would take the Series' name? Wouldn't it be awesome to watch the Viagra Series or GalleryFurniture.com Series?)
     
  19. fargonole

    fargonole New Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    united i would suggest going during college. then you dont have to find a job in a country you arent familiar with and might not speak the language. you also get to take classes with people from the country. you also dont have to do it alone, as you will be with a bunch of other students in the same position as you.

    as for the place you should go to, it really depends on you. i liked southern europe much more then northern europe because it was more laid back and the culture was more dissimilar to ours. but, similar enough where it wasnt really hard to adapt.
    i studied in malta, which is an island off the coast of sicily. they spoke english. they were really into the epl because england controlled malta from 1800-1960 something.
    i also spent time in italy and spain and really liked it. ofcourse, they dont speak english so that might be a hurdle. but, i think they have english speaking universities there.

    studying abroad will also give you the skills necessary to go there after college much more easily. if you only speak english then a lot of countries will be hard for you to get a job in, unless you are just visiting. so you can get a 6 month work permit if you do it within 6 months after you graduate from college. go to bunac.com.

    as for usa soccer, how do we change what kids play at age 10? i have some ideas, but what do others think?

    i would also like to see our players to play like the brazilans. how do we make that happen as well?
     
  20. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Look it up - it's false.

    Oh here, I looked it up for you: http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp

    (I was wondering when this old myth would hit this thread.)
     
  21. jmarquez1976

    jmarquez1976 New Member

    May 5, 2005
    No muerdas!


    Don't bother listening to A_Gay...his is a limey sock puppet posing as a Mexican :rolleyes:
     
  22. a_guy

    a_guy New Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    Texas
    my bad. I don't follow baseball as close as I follow football, so I guess I'm bound to fall for every urban legend. Just wondering, does anybody know if Soccer really is just a shortened version of Association football, or is that an urban legend too?
     
  23. mrt/MLS

    mrt/MLS Member

    Oct 11, 2003
    CT
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whoa. dont backtrack on us. the original question was only about "America" not about any of the other countries you listed there.

    you say you dont want to make this political, but thats a false statement. the topic name itself proves that this is a political thread. it is asking if the rest of the world would resent the US if we became a dominant force in world soccer/football.

    it sounds like you are getting quite an education while you are abroad, thats fantastic. but dont go accusing all or even the majority of all Americans as having the same narrow world view that you are just starting to wake up from. there are many of us who see very clearly how we impact the rest of the world, and how we are veiwed by its people. (too bad not enough of us got out to vote for the right guy last year)

    ps. the USMNT is allready "good".
     
  24. fargonole

    fargonole New Member

    Jun 12, 2005
    mrt good point. my intention was not to discuss if america was liked or not liked for whatever reason. but, then some really good discussion points came up that were not soccer related. so it is a soccer/political thread now. if i start another thread like this next time i will be specific about my intentions.

    and i just dont know how you can say that the majority of americans dont think exclusively about america and american interests because that is all they are exposed too and told to think about. just look at why americans say we are hated around the world. most think it is jealousy because they are thinking like an american. when it really has nothing to do with jealousy. a lot of americans also think that other countries talk about us or we are in the media constantly. when i was in europe i really didnt hear anything about america nor did anyone care. that was pre-9/11 so it might be a little different now, but it probably isnt much.
     
  25. mrt/MLS

    mrt/MLS Member

    Oct 11, 2003
    CT
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    maybe im just speaking from personal experience. there are many many people who are very much like the Americans you describe in your post. im just not convinced that its the majority of them.

    i could be wrong. :)
     

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