Ideal stadium size?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by n00bie deluxe, Nov 2, 2002.

  1. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    Is there a point where bigger isn't necessarily better? Where the stadium just becomes too damn big that you can't see the players?
     
  2. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Sure, there's a limit, but it hasn't really been reached yet. Maracana held almost 200,000 for the 1950 World Cup Final. Someone who's actually seen a match there can tell you if that's too big. I understand there's a stadium in Asia that holds that many or more. Both Neyland stadium (UT) in Knoxville and Michigan's hold more than 100,000. Can't say I keep my ear to the ground for complaints about distance from the field, but I haven't heard or read any complaints. My perfect stadium would hold at least 100,000.
     
  3. Lawmill

    Lawmill New Member

    Stadiums over 100,000 http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/stadium_list/100000.shtml

    A big stadium isn't necessarily worse for individual spectators. I went to a Belgian first division match in a stadium that held about 4000. The seats were all so close to the pitch that you had no depth perception and couldn't really see the play develop.

    The Bernabeu in Madrid is very big, a little more than 76,000, but the seats are sloped very steeply, so you're always going to be relatively close to the action. I was in the fourth tier and could have thrown a soda can all the way onto the field.

    You're talking about http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/north_korea/may_day.shtml ; the May Day Stadium Rungra Island in North Korea.
     
  4. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    czech republic's Strahov stadium used to be the world's largest stadium with 240,000 capacity. i don't think it's operating now.
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  5. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That wasn't a football stadium though. The national football stadium of the same name is next door, on the left of the picture. It was more of a display ground. I think the 240,000 included spectators standing on part of the field. I've walked past it and the stands looked covered in weeds. Mind you, I've been in Slavia Prague's ground and that is covered in weeds and still in use.
     
  6. Sao Taffarel

    Sao Taffarel New Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    240,000? I have never heard of this venue and have serious doubts about the accuracy of the capacity.
     
  7. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    As I said, a whole 1 post above, it wasn't a genuine venue as such. I don't think the Czech team ever played there. If you look at the picture and notice the national stadium next door on the left you will realise that the field in the large Strahov stadium is actually the size of 4 pitches.
     
  8. G Enriquez

    G Enriquez Member+

    Apr 1, 2002
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess irragation isn't a big deal in the Czech Republic.
     
  9. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    yeah, I think the seating capacity is somewhere around 120,000-150,000. currently the city of prague is thinking whether to demolish the stadium.it's been used for multi-purpose but it's just too big for helding any kinds of events.
     
  10. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    There's nothing worse than a 100.000 stadium that is sometimes only filled with 30.000 people. So depending on the club I'd say 50.000 is nice. But I've also been in stadiums that could fit 7000 people and they were still fantastic in their own way.
     
  11. n00bie deluxe

    n00bie deluxe New Member

    Aug 31, 2002
    Small stadiums are nice because it almost feels like you're in the game. (heh heh)
     
  12. empennage

    empennage Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Phoenix, AZ
    I remember reading something about the optimal maximum viewing distance on the official New Wembley Stadium website(sorry no link). IIRC it was something like 200 yards. The designers of the new stadium made sure that no spectator was that distance away from any part of the pitch.
     
  13. empennage

    empennage Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Phoenix, AZ
    I found the link:

    http://www.wembleynationalstadium.co.uk/new/key.htm

    Research in the United States has shown that fans have problems seeing the moving ball at further than 190 metres. By moving to a rounder stadium, the World Stadium Team has accommodated as many people as possible in the ideal space. For fans in the very furthest back seats only the space around each corner flag is outside this viewing ideal.

    Placing seats further away from the action would result in the far goalmouth being outside this ideal distance and fans could miss out on much of the important action. The seats would probably have to be classed as restricted views. Because of this it is unlikely that any football ground will be built with a capacity larger than the new Wembley.


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  14. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    never even heard of that czech stadium, 240,000 people that is huge!
     
  15. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    population of Prague is approximately 1,300,000 so to fill the stadium the city must draw about 1/5 of entire pop.
     
  16. Premium Hamatachi redded

    Sep 9, 2002
    i totally agree.
     
  17. Boro_lad

    Boro_lad New Member

    middlesbrough has a pop of about 120000 and we get over 30000 ppl for our games, thats 1/4 ...... (boro has best ratio in country btw)
     
  18. vabeacher

    vabeacher Member

    Jul 27, 2001
    Virginia Beach, VA
    You have to remember that most older European stadia are comprised primarily of sloped terraces for standing spectators. You can cram a lot more folks in when they are standing. Of course, occassionally you crush a few hundred against a chain link fence.
     
  19. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    120,000? That's not a lot. How many live within the club's natural Cleveland catchment area though? It's not as if every single fan lives in Middlesbrough.
     
  20. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This who question depends on the level of the team, surrounding population, and popularity. For UT and Michigan, they love the 100k they get every game. I'm sure if Notre Dame and Penn St and 100k seat stadiums, they would sell out as well.

    For places like Milan and Rome, 70k-80k is fairly good, though I'm sure they would each like a 100k stadium. For ManUre, 70k is about right, and I don't think Arse-nal's proposed 50k (?) seater is too far off as well.

    But they you've got places like Sunderland and Monaco. Could they really host a 60k seater? I doubt they could draw that well for every game.

    Personally, I'm a fan of the 30k-40k seat stadiums. Small enough that it can be intimate, but big enought that it can be defening.
     
  21. Kaiser

    Kaiser New Member

    Nov 12, 2000
    dark side of the moo
    During WEC94 I was in the front section of the upper deck right at one of the penalty spots for the Morocco v. Saudi Arabia match and I felt it was too far away from the other end of the pitch. I've studied a lot of different stadiums and plans and I feel that for the spectator 40.000 should be the limit for a soccer venue. Of course it's all about what the market will support.
     
  22. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    It's all about how the stadium is built. If you look at the feijenoord stadion and the Amsterdam Arena it's pretty clear that the feijenoord stadion is a better football stadium in every single aspect. Funny though as that stadium was built in the 50's and renovated in the early 90's while the Arena was built in 1996. The excuse is that the Arena is more than a football stadium.... BS it was just built by someone who doesn't know football.
     
  23. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I've only been to one match there and I went in the top tier and the view was great. Maybe that's part of the reason - all the thought has gone into maiking it good for the expensive seats (even though by English standards it was cheap) and very little into making it good in the lower tier. I think rather than having seats right down to the pitch there is an ugly 8ft wall where the seats just stop. The accoustics are dreadful. 35,000 sounded like 5000. It's not just a modern ground v old ground thing though. I also went to NEC Nijmegen which at first glance doesn't look too inspiring, but I really enjoyed my day there.
     
  24. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The accoustics are terrible indeed. I remember being at the north stand 2nd ring at Ajax - Porto. I could see the entire southstand move their hands along to a song but I could hardly make out what was being sung. Really too bad, cos sometimes it can get pretty noisy on the southstand, but it has to be at max volume if anyone's to hear it.
     
  25. AvidSinger

    AvidSinger New Member

    Sep 6, 2002
    Massachusetts
    Of course, Foxboro has about 20,000 people, and they draw about 65,000 people for Patriots games and 16,000 for Revs games, so we still got ya beat. ;)
     

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