To hate VAR or to hate the LOTG? That is the question [R]

VAR corrected missed pen for City... foul happened in a flash and because of that pundits and twitter are still upset about VAR, but honestly if you’re arguing about a clear (if quick) foul in the box that’s happening in a rout, why side are you even on? Mistimed challenge, sure, unlucky on the defender even, sure... but obvious foul and clear penalty, if the ref sees it from the right angle.

Anti-VAR in this specific case seems to be saying “some things which are hard to see but are obvious when it comes to the rules should be ignored”... and I’d love to see the proposal for how you write that up and enshrine it into the laws of the game.

 

Bad handball missed in LFC match... you’d want VAR to catch those, just as you’d want the ref to catch those.

Good news is the handball rule gets much more specific next season and there’s no way that doesn’t get called at that point. The plausible deniability of “intent” still just barely protecting Cahill in this specific case.

 

Yep , I was surprised that it wasn't reviewed and given. Looked a stone cold pen to me.

 

Virgil also get into a tussle with Cahill and Sakho on a. Or we, was held from behind... but VAR doesn’t often get involved in these situations.

They need addressing through rule, like handball. Imo.

 

As I said a long time ago, referees don't call things that they see plainly sometimes. I'm fairly sure they saw that, and knew it to be a clear and obvious error, but just didn;t bother their arses to create a controversy by interfering in.

 

That would be a pretty shitty unprofessional ref that would do such a thing... doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

 

Didn't you say at the outset that they shouldn't be involved in these types of things. I know that the very first anti-point I saw in VAR would be if they have to address corner kick fouling. Every instance is a foul or possible foul requiring closer look definition. God help us if they start addressing that.

 

There are some tjhings that you wouldn;t expect refs to catch, like the situation in the Sheffield game the other day, but this one. Have to assume they had to see that clearly... and didn;t want to make it part of their remit...

 

Refs miss things all the time though. We don’t always assume they are making an effort to avoid involving themselves out of fear for some controversy.

If that were true they would be weeded out of the professional ranks... there have processes of review to guard against incompetency of all kinds.

 

And there in lies the rub. VAR is still one individual watching telly. One individual with different ideas and different thoughts on how he sees things. li wonder how many other refs would have backed up the city game to give a pk that nobody else noticed in passing.
It’s not like auto correct on you phone. He takes a sip of tea and steams up his glasses. He find a speck of dirt under a fingernail. He’s human with all the foibles.
One ref and a monitor!
WE don’t trust some refs on the pitch (Mike Riley) why are they anymore trustworthy off the pitch.

just sayin.

 

VAR is back. What fun.

 

I think the answer to your question is that generally because people want to do their job and are held to that standard by the system... so if they are doing a profoundly poor job, these refs/officials, they get fired or phased out of the professional ranks.

Why would we want this flash moment ruled as a pen? I think because it's a foul. Just because a foul in the box happens in an instant and is hard to recognize by officials doesn't mean it's not a foul, right? I think to be fair to both players and fans, when play results in these moments, in which a defender cleats someone's ankle (even if it was hard to see) the refs should be doing their job and upholding the rules, because that's in the interest of fairness.

 

Literally a missed call by the ref which is fixed by VAR might have just finally directly solidified the title for Liverpool. You cannot make this up.

 

So this doesn't warrant being shown from every angle with electronic lines and angles? Fans don't get to see how the determination was made that this was in fact onside?

But this went through 3 minutes of review and was farcically decided to be offside?



The FA wants united in the CL and will break rules in order to make it happen. Prove me otherwise.

 

give Hobo a minute, his excuse for this one's gonna require an extra cup of coffee ....

 

maybe conventional wisdom is all wrong. officials actually do need crowds - to do their job right.

 

The excuse will be...the player keeping the ManU player on side is on the far side of the pitch - and measuring accurately is more difficult...while Firmino is right next to the defender and his shoulder...I mean "armpit" is easier to measure...or something like that...

 

FYP

 

You can only use the rules everyone has agreed upon... either way in this example, the actual replay in real time showed the far defender keeping him on... was a good goal and Shaw wasn't offside. If they're going to adjust the armpit/chest offside calls, I'm still waiting for a good rule change which can eliminate these scenarios from being held to the same standard as any other offside.

This Shaw incident doesn't even really matter, the ref would have allowed it with or without VAR right?

 

This is admittedly a weird one, but you need a rule change to actually address it; the guy was clearly impacting play and part of body was in offside position. Pretty clear cut as far as rules go, so much so Kepa complained immediately.

Now if they changed the rule to "the part of body that is deemed offside must be the part affecting goalkeeper", the goal would have stood I think.