I really do fear for the English NT future we don't see to produce players which can pass and retain the ball and are technically deficient and we never seem to improve or learn from our mistakes. Plus our young players don't seem to get any playing time. I have always believed if they can't get first team action go abroad to a decent foreign team.
Yes we do, I can name a couple. Josh McEachran. He's the future Lampard. Moves just like him and has exceptional technical abilities.[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYNcQcjslOI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYNcQcjslOI[/ame] and then there's Jack Wilshire, which I hope you already know he's a beast Now they both don't get that much playing time, but they're still really young, and in a couple of years they'll hit first team. I'm lazy, but here are some to name, great young English talents, that actually do play for their clubs and are good Lee Cattermole Fabrice Muamba Jack Rodwell Dan Gosling Mark Davies
england will always have good talent. They have the structure in place and the most entertaining league in the world. why they can't have an English coach i can't figure out.
Because there aren't any good English managers? And having a showbiz domestic league doesn't win you World Cup games. Props to the thread starter for his respect of tradition though. If only Bigsoccer didn't crash and wipe out history every two or so years, I'd link us to the 2008, 2006, 2004, 2002, 2000 and 1998 versions of this thread.
Those talents are unproven but got overhyped too much. Before they start regularly in the league n play well, don't predict players' future. England was trying to make Walcott the new wonderkid n "hope" of English football back in 2006, even included him in their World Cup roster. I can still remember how people rated him as the best talent England have produced in the last 20 years or something. But 4 years later he's still shit. Heard people praised James Vaughn 3 seasons back too. But.... Overhyping the youngsters doesn't mean u actually have the talented young players emerging. Fans n the media never get this right n that's why they keep being disappointed owing to the overexpectation. U can't just name a few 18/19 year olds and say they're 'world class' talent n they'll make it for sure. Coz every country rate their youngsters as top of their age group too. And having the potential doesn't mean they'll hv a prosperous career That's why I don't count Welbeck, Wickham, Sturridge n Baxter before they actually produce n show promises consistently in the epl. It's not gonna be easy. Too many foreigners in the league n they're taking domestic players' playing time.
English football seldom gives young managers a chance. You see the likes of Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaaard, Klinsmann, Mourinho, Guardiola, Mancini etc getting high profile management jobs in their home countries in recent years, yet when was the last time a retiring English player got his chance? Shearer was ousted at Newcastle after they went down. Ince was hounded out of Blackburn after 4 months, Pearce was vilified at City. I can't remember any more. At the end of the day, yesterday was something of a freak result. We hit the woodwork trwice, had a perfectly good goal ruled out and created a number of good chances which should have been converted. I worry for Rooney though. He didn't have a very good tournament at all.
Premiership football seldom gives young managers a chance. There are lots of talented young managers in the lower leagues. Some of them are even English. But let's not confuse that with the entirely different and not at all desirable notion of handing recently retired pros big jobs as soon as they decide to "have a crack at" management. Ince's treatment by Blackburn was crap, but he's working at the lower leagues and really learning his trade, away from the pressure cooker attitudes of the Premiership, where Chairman and fans combine to have the most ludicrous expectations of a manager. Pearce is a good example of what can happen when you get a job too soon. His current stint as U-21 England manager will stand him in far greater stead (and is proving that he's a decent manager).
Reading that, I fear for the future of English punctuation. Please note that we out-possessed Germany and put two goals past them. It wasn't a 4-1 game. We were screwed by our defenders lacking any kind of cohesion or positional discipline. We were also punished throughout this tournament for our lack of an experienced quality goalkeeper. There's nothing wrong with our level of talent. That's a misnomer. Threads like this, the attitude of large portions of the public and media are a problem. Look at the wild swing between England being "World Cup favourites" when we have a good result to "having to change the system from the ground up" when we have a bad one. Our national team played with a lot of fear during this World Cup. They struggled under the weight of expectation. Don't tell me the media and LCD population don't affect the team. Beckham and Southgate have been disgracefully pilloried and now it looks like it's Capello's turn.
You really want a future "Lampard?" I don't. I want a player who keeps the ball, and doesn't just shoot constantly.
What world were you living in? Nobody stopped moaning about Walcott being given a squad (why do people keep using that fcuking stupid term roster?) place in 2006 and considering Rooney had already done well at Euro 2004 the idea that anyone thought Walcott was the best player we had produced in 20 years is laughable
That has to be the laziest comparison I've ever read. Exactly what part of his game is anything like Lampard? Seriously?! No, he's not. He's potential, that's it. We need to stop hyping these players up for Feck's sake. Dear oh dear. Still, at least you've got Rodwell in there.
Fabio Capello, the 22 million Dollar Man, selected by the gravy train riding English FA's Lord Trashcan and his hyper-privileged football knowledge devoid chums, was roundly criticized by England fans for being an unimaginative, rigid, tactically-paralyzed, Heskey loving failure. England are, as Alexi Lalas, gratingly but accurately put it: "simply not as good as either their fans or their players believe." We are an also ran on the international stage, and it's unfortunate that England's FA are so awash in money that they apparently can convince the country's supporters that success can be bought by showering an A list European club football manager with unimaginable amounts of dosh. Due to the lucrative, tied up seven ways to sundown deal Fabio astoundingly convinced the FA sign, it's highly likely this rather ordinary foreign manager will be guiding the 'mighty' Three Lions towards another belly flop in Euro 2012.
There is nothing to Fear but Fear itself! as long as there is an EPL there will be plenty of stock to pick from to form a great team. As an American soccer fan I am so jealous of your league and all the fantastic talent within. ...also my favorite player for England, Peter Crouch got hosed in S.A. He is tall and skillful. I cannot believe he didn't play more.
England will become a minnow in years to come. The FA doesn't give a shit about the development of the grassroots game in this country otherwise they would have done something during our 44 years of failure. I heard an astonishing statistic that Germany have over 35,000 coaches whereas we have just 2,000. Says it all really.
I agree that it's not about the manager. Not sure I get the rest of the rant. That's a slightly misleading statistic. In Germany you need to register to be a coach at any level. It's like a fishing permit. If you got every tub arse who stands in a park every Sunday bellowing at a bunch of 15-year olds to get a permit, we'd have 35,000 coaches as well.
Alexi Lalas is an England-hating numpty whose opinion has received an ill-deserved respect for the simple reason he's American, played in Italy and most of the mainstream viewers don't realise he spouts shite. As I've said over and over again: It's not that England fans think England are a great team, it's that as inventors of this specific form of the game, and first-world western country with a population of 51m, we feel we should be at least in realistic contention. I'll take my football analysis from somebody who doesn't advocate 'making the game more exciting' by using bigger goals, or whose general management of the LA Galaxy was a complete farce.
That's probably true. We're just not as mediocre as he wants us to be. Anyone who looks at how England played and regards it as them playing about as well as could be expected, has a seriously negative view of the players.
I heard him say months before the tournament in an interview that he didn't want us to win it, that we always think we're going to come in and win it all... I personally don't know any England fans who are so overtly confident. Even before the last WC, when the media pretty much had our names on the trophy, I believe the word on the street was "we have a good chance". The guy has never had anything good to say about us. I may be wrong but I even seem to vaguely remember him being critical of English football in "The Beckham Experiment".
maybe he just got very pissed off when Beckham signed, and the UK press, with their collective insight and legendary attention to detail, declared MLS to be someone between pub league and "conference standard" with mickey-mouse gimmicks, as if he'd been stuck in a time machine as was going to play in the dying embers of the NASL in the early 1980s.
Fair point. I do recall some pretty ignorant assessments from over there. However, Lalas went the other direction by saying Beckham had played for two of the biggest teams in the world and he liked to think he was coming to a third.
Spot-on. I feel as though we should have a team that is capable of contending for trophies, given that nearly all the conditions are just right (Population size, footballing history, culture, one of the world's strongest league's, etc) yet I can't remember the last time that I actually felt confident that we could win something or that we had a team capable of beating the best. The football organisations in this country make one big ******** up after another, and I have no confidence whatsoever that they will change anything anytime soon.
it's not misleading at all. it's not about Sunday league coaches, it's about coaches with UEFA's top qualification. Germany has 35,000 of those, England just under 3,000. Italy has 30,000, which is probably even more per population than Germany.
This would be the Italy that just finished bottom of a group consisting of Paraguay, New Zealand and Slovakia right? That was the point I was alluding to earlier. There's this popular defeatist POV among my countrymen that we're doing so much wrong. Italy have for as long as I can remember been wrapped up in the fine details and modern advancements of training, nutrition, tactics, technichal development etc. A combination of stupid errors, capitulation and poor officiating sent us home. We weren't dominated by the Germans, they were (as ever) better organised and more clinical. That was the difference. Having said that, your point is not lost. Far too British many kids team managers are frustrated wannabe Alex Fergusons who treat 8 year olds like they're seasoned 28 yr old megastars - and it's still 1965. Hence touchline pearls of wisdom such as "Oi! Nobby! Cut out the fancy-dan dribbling bollocks and hoof that effing ball upfield!!" and "Their Center Forward fancies himself a bit... take out his ankles early and give 'im something to think about!!!" But in spite of the above, I do believe we produce a fair number of talented players. Rose-tinted glasses maybe, but I wonder what a Fabio Capello or Guus Hiddink could have done with the '98 England squad.