I beg of you!

Discussion in 'Elections' started by johan neeskens, Nov 1, 2004.

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  1. Stilger

    Stilger Member

    Nov 7, 2002
    Orange County
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    I'm sorry, but your going to have to show me a communist government in Western Europe devoid of the capitalistic qualities socialism allows.
     
  2. iloy19

    iloy19 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Ok, I know this is off topic, and kind of dumb, but I want to make sure I dont put something stupid in my paper due tomorrow.

    Was Gore a Moderate or Liberal?
    What about Clinton, dukakis, Reagan, and Carter?

    Any help is appreciated.
     
  3. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Fact is that communist parties in Western Europe have a long history of participating in democratic processes, thereby allowing for what you call capitalistic qualities. That does not make them socialists - a catholic who's pro-abortion still is a catholic.

    Like I said before, communism is just another political belief in much of Western Europe. Countries are typically ruled by coalition governments, in which three or even more parties of a different political conviction may be represented. This has probably produced key cultural differences between the US and Europe. In Europe, we've learnt that not everything in the political landscape is black and white.

    The biggest party in my country's government is christian democrat. Yet they passed the euthanasia law. I hope you get my point.
     
  4. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    If you think that then you aren't a very regular reader of the politics forum.

    I guess we haven't managed to make you understand that the election is our thing and we don't give a crap what you think about it.
     
  5. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Here's a nifty new website that could probably help you out with that.
     
  6. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Considering the fact that you keep on posting messages about how obnoxious I am, I don't believe you don't give a crap. If you didn't care about what I had to say you wouldn't have bothered.

    There are plenty of people who do appreciate what I have to say. So go and bother someone else please.
     
  7. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    The whole concept of BigSoccer is that you don't have to actually care about something in order to be able to mock it mercilessly.
     
  8. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
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    Paris Saint Germain FC
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    Your posts make me think you woke up hostile today; if so, that's me too...I woke up with an anger, an aggressiveness, a frown...I'm not taking any sh!t today, from anyone, on anything.

    I think it's good Laurel took the car. :D
     
  9. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    I do give a crap that you're annoying. But, I have an ignore list and I think it's time I put you on it. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but this thread has pretty much convinced me that you're hopeless.


    So, feel free to condescend to the cute little americans who don't know how to run their country all you want. I won't know about.

    You're confused. I'm the one who was bothered.

    Was being the operative word there.
     
  10. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    I'm just a bit bored with her constantly telling me how horrible I am. I'd rather discuss something more interesting with her. But she won't, unfortunately.
     
  11. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Good for you! Bye-bye.
     
  12. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    But if you - as you say - aren't really willing to take a look at HOW you say things, you may not be as committed to effective discussion as you claim.

    Barb, btw, is pretty open-minded to a variety of posts, and deals mostly with content, so you might want to at least consider her criticism, towards the end of the effective communication you are submitting, above, that you want.
     
  13. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Why are you trying to help George Bush win the election?
     
  14. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    I've tried to engage her into content numerous times but to no avail, plenty of evidence in this thread.

    This rant of hers is nothing to do with this specific thread. It's to do with a specific thread of mine a wile back in which I condemned the Hello Kitty phenomenon. This apparently annoyed quite a lot of people, notably her.

    Anyway, so she doesn't like my style. How childish it is then to put me on ignore - if she can't cope with someone's debating style I wonder how she ever gets any debating done. I swear some people take these boards far too seriously.
     
  15. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
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    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    Debate is a tricky word. It implies facts.
     
  16. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    I blame the European-American lobby.
     
  17. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Fair enough. I'm just trying to explain to you that her dislike of me has a bit of a history and is not based on this thread.
     
  18. Frankfurt Blue

    Sep 3, 2003
    Doytshlund
    What debate there was, has now been reduced to farce with emotional outpourings and senseless digs at various posters on here and their opinions, by one particular poster who has no vote in this election.
    I have no vote, but was interested in the debate and opinion of those persons who do actually count on this Election MB.
     
  19. When Hell Unfreezes

    Jan 8, 2004
    London
    You're right FB, this thread is almost as good a troll as hello kitty :(
     
  20. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    BY one particular poster? Excuse me? Point me to one senseless dig and/or emotional outpouring that I started please. My begging for people to vote Kerry was very sincere. Meanwhile I've been called patronising and what else have you. Did I in turn get personal? I think not. For god's sake, can someone explain to me what exactly is so terrible about my posts in this thread? That I have an opinion on the elections? Is that what's so terrible, the fact that a Dutch person cares about what's happening in the US? Are you going to tell me you're only allowed to have an opinion about abortion if you've had one?

    On second thought, instead of discussing me let's get back to the elections. Dearie me.
     
  21. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    I state why I prefer Kerry, the comments I get back are about Anne Frank and Srebrenica. I state why I don't like Bush, I get told I'm patronising and annoying. I state why I wonder that Americans aren't more critical about their government, I get back that without the US we'd all be communists. Yet I'm accused of trolling.
     
  22. Frankfurt Blue

    Sep 3, 2003
    Doytshlund
    The title of this thread and the way you have tried debating within it has not helped one bit. It sounds patronising to me and I am not even a US citizen.
    Some remarks against you have certainly been less than kind, but you could have walked away from this thread at any time, especially where your thoughts were out of place.
    You just chose not to.
     
  23. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    I've tried to stay on topic all through this thread. It's others who've chosen to get personal, which is why I find it a bit rich that I'm being accused of God knows what. I never run away from an argument. I also refuse to adapt my style just so that more people will like me on here - I don't even know these people and couldn't care less about whether they like me or don't. Personal likes and dislikes shouldn't get in the way of a MB discussion is what my opinion of it is. Unfortunately few agree with me on that.

    That said, that last post of yours is patronising to the extreme, the way you're telling me to walk away from this thread. Sort yourself out.
     
  24. Frankfurt Blue

    Sep 3, 2003
    Doytshlund
    LOL :p
     
  25. When Hell Unfreezes

    Jan 8, 2004
    London
    You started badly Neeskens, with patronising, sweeping generalisations that are your hallmark.

    You then began to fade in the middle, where you tried to justify what you were saying by stating it wasn't you who started it - when we all know it was.

    And then at the end, you fade dramatically, into a defensive huddle, no doubt with your thumb in your mouth, and gurgle incoherrantly from your arse:

    Isn't this election a personal thing then?
     

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