I beg of you!

The following quote seems very anti-American to me.

If you are trying to convince people of the rightness of your POV, you will be held to a higher standard than those who are trying to oppose but not convince. You must recognize that ANY nationality (including the fiecely independent Dutch) will resent being told how to choose their leaders by someone of another nationality.

 

something that NOBODY has mentioned yet is that the winner will likely get to appoint TWO if not THREE supreme court justices.

that is HUGE.

bush, the ultra conservative and ultra religious prick that he is, wants things like CONSTITUTIONAL bans against gay marriage, overturning roe v wade, ect.

so, beyond his administrations overall incompetence, that issue looms so large that i cant believe that so many people choose to ignore it.

its always best to err on the side of caution, and caution lies with liberal judges in this case.

i really just cannot believe that the people of this country are so small minded, or blinded or whatever to accept the kind of ill performing administration that we have suffered through in the past 4 years. its as if 9.11 brainwashed everybody!

in fact, had 9.11 NOT happened, i dont see bush having a chance, its the crux of his entire campaign! which is pretty pathetic, really.

and as for the whole "vote kerry or die" thing, its funny that you bring it up, Sgt Schultz, since it was dick cheny himself who said that a vote for kerry would be a grave mistake.

also, i dont get why people think that bush is such a great leader... cause he doesnt speak well? cause hes "folksy"? cause he "sticks to his guns" (even when he is wrong, which he never admits)?...


its all so unfreakingbelievable. its like living in a political twilight zone.

 

And Pro-Americanism as it existed in the days immediately after 9/11 did not exist in the Clinton Administration either. The point is that America and Europe have gone back and forth since WWII many times, and will continue to do so. There is work to be done on both sides to repair the rifts in relations, but it is not insurmountable.

 

It makes a difference because it cleans house. During the past four years, political discourse in the USA has really degraded. I don't think Kerry has a magic bullet for either foreign relations or the federal deficit, but Bush's entire management style is rife with incompetence and is based on false communications. The US electorate cannot encourage sustained and systemic failures like the Bush adminstration.

 

Well, despite that, you're doing a fine job of it, because:

That's patronising. Especially when coupled with your first post of "we can't take him anymore". Remember, we elected him in the first place. You telling us to get rid of him because you don't like him is presumptuous and condescending.
If before the Dutch elections I begged you to vote against, say Fortuyn (yes, I know he's dead), because we as the rest of the world just couldn't take him, I don't think you'd be overly happy. It smacks of "vote the way we think - we know better".

 

No disrespect intended. But this whole thing is hilarious in a way. It sounds like America is the man, and the rest of the world is this nagging wife who complains, "Who're you? You're not the man I married. I want that man back."

 

I really can't believe that this thread has expanded as it has. "I beg of you" - what sort of message is that and who is Neeskens trying to kid?

Patronising? Definitely.

 

LOL

 

i LOVE this attitude...

its as if youre standing with a gun to your head... someone tells you "hey man, dont shoot yourself!" and you think "what an **************, trying to tell me how to think and what to do!" *bam!*

 

Re: I beg of you! Vote For George Bush!

I figured it out... they keep a parrot in the white house.

 

Re: I beg of you! Vote For George Bush!

If Bush gets elected, we will all likely die from terrorism since he will premptively invade every Islamic nation, until someone nukes us in retalition.

If Bush gets elected, women that have been raped wil be forced to give birth to those babies.

If Bush gets elected, he will not be able to pass an amendment to prevent gay marriages, it was all pandering anyway.

If Bush gets elected, he will make it legal to have a loaded shotgun or an AK-47 in your pickup truck.

If Bush gets elected, he will continue with tax cuts that are no longer needed and this will put the US deficit at catastrophic levels.

If Bush gets elected, he will ignore health care problems facing the nation. Medicare will go bankrupt and seniors will not be able to afford prescriptions.

If Bush gets elected, more uncontested military contracts will go to Haliburton and the Carlisile group, thereby fattening his buddies pocket at the tax payers expense.

But mostly, If Bush gets elected, he will be a president that has strong stubborn convictions and will not listen to contrarian points of view. This will lead to many more bad and damaging decisions, as we have witnessed in the last 4 years.

Do Not Vote George Bush!

 

Get in line. Who isn't?

Deal with it.


Starting this thread was a patronizing act, whether you meant for it to be or not. I'm pretty sure that the condescending tone you use comes so naturally to you that you don't even realize you're doing it. But you are, and it's annoying.

 

Bill Clinton went to war in Bosnia WITHOUT UN consent, Bosnia never attacked the US?

 

That's not the issue here. The issue here is the sense of "we can't believe you did X, and we can't take it anymore". Well, the US doesn't care about this "we" business.

Yes you can. People think I'm a sarcastic prick. I can help it. I choose not to.

And the bull in the china shop didn't mean to break anything.

Boo fvckin' hoo. Seriously - you can worry about them all you want. But they're our elections. We're the citizens, we get to vote. Have an opinion all you want, but stay away from offering up your choice. We don't especially care how our election helps the Dutch, or hurts you. Really. Its true. If Kerry ran his current campaign, but threw in the slogan "Fvck the Dutch, those cheese eating clog hopping potheads," I wouldn't care. I'd still vote for him. Because I don't live in the Netherlands.

Grow up and learn to read. You can worry about it all you want. But that's why YOU have DUTCH elections, where you can tell your government to send people home. I worry about the plight of Israel from the European view - I don't tell the French people on this board how they should vote on politicians though.

 

Re: I beg of you! Vote For George Bush!

I resent the fact that people from Illinois are trying to tell Americans how to... Oh, wait, sorry.

 

Just sent in my ballot for the Green Party. Someone named Cobb, apparently.

 

He's the salad guy.

 

As someone voting for Kerry, and as someone who thinks this election is very important, your analogy blows donkey balls.
Voting for Bush isn't the equivalent of suicide. And having a random stranger who's only motivation in telling you that you shouldn't shoot yourself is that it would stain her rug doesn't overly impress me either.

 

You know nothing about American Politics, yet are still stating your opinions. HOw bigsoccer-esque.

One point here though - it is easier for a President to advance his vision of a foreign policy agenda because Congress and the Senate can often foul up his ideas for a domestic agenda. A lot more interests pulling the prez different ways

 

You do realize that McGOvern was very left wing on the US political spectrum.

and people are jumping on you mostly because of some of the stuff you have posted here before.

speaking of which, Hello Kitty references in 3..2..1