Alert: Hungary vs Netherlands WC qualification match thread

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Match date: 11-09-2012​

Stadium: Ferenc Puskás Stadium​

Capacity: 39.111​

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Head to head records between the 2 country's:​

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(Hungary in red, Netherlands in blue)​

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FIFA A games between the country's:​

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FIFA ranking of each country since it's introduction:​

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Table position of each country in the group at the moment:​

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I thought Strootman on the right first half was pretty bad. He improved drastically when he was played more DM. On the right midfield position he was actually irritating me with his physical game play, rather than looking out to bring football.

 

It was interesting to notice that RVP scored with his head in his last EPL game and replicated that in the game against Turkey. Finally something that transcends from club football to NT football.

In this light I will post some more observations from last game here, as certain behavior will maybe reoccur. I re watched the game Netherlands vs Turkey and have some additional observations:

• Willems tries to control high balls by sticking his foot out under the presumption he can make it dead or control it. He can't. The ball jumps off his foot. It feels to me, he is not aware he can't make the ball dead and in the future this way of dealing with high balls can result in a dangerous situation.
• The reason van Rhijn came on was for being better with his head, but the biggest header chance of the Turks happened when he was not able to jump with his man. It was the header from a cross from Willems side, that sailed over the cross bar after a Turk put his head against. Also RvR just rammed a ball out of the stadium at one moment without looking for one second for the football solution.
• Sneijder when dropping had quite some ball loss or was not able to display his creativity especially in the first half. Many of his longer distributing balls went wrong for a long time. It tells me that if Sneijder was not able to show his creative skills getting some longer balls from A to B, I am not amazed Clasie played over cautious to prevent much ball loss. The Turks were on the game and kept it tight for a long time.
• The Turks 20/25 minutes in the second half subbed a midfielder for an attacker. This is also the reason why Strootman-Fer looked better and in more control, than the first half midfield. This is something few people have mentioned and was very important.
• There was this moment where BMI headed the ball almost into his own goal. He saved the situation, but after that something very weird happens. Janmaat just watches the ball going over the line resulting into a corner. WTF was that? Why did he not prevent the corner and kick the ball away, or just control it and start to play football? I do not know.
• RVP did not play along that well. One time with the corner flag, he passed well to Sneijder, but 2 big moments were maybe bigger mess ups than Narsingh's lack of vision to pass it on Robben. First there is a counter situation where RVP just passes the ball to much in front of Robben to make a successful run on goal possible. There is also towards the end of the game a moment where he does not shoot or do something smart with the ball, but passes it behind Narsingh. Very poor.
• Tim Krul's distribution was bad against Turkey. Opposite of De Gea and with high balls was not very secure.

Telegraaf reports on the starting 11:

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• I am amazed Viergever is not turning the heat on Willems. I also want to say that Willems is now weighted by Rutten, Cocu, van Marwijk, Advocaat and van Gaal. 3 club coaches and 2 NT coaches. 5 very good coaches in total and every time with his 18 years he is kept on the job (apart from a short spell at PSV). Also many PSV supporters like him more than Pieters already. One way or the other, he is doing some things right.
• I am happy van Gaal keeps faith in Clasie and offers him another chance to build on his first 5 to 10 good minutes from the start against Turkey. I do feel Strootman is a bit sacrificed here and feel a bit bad about that for Kevin. Not only sacrificed vs Clasie, but also vs Sneijder. I'll keep that mind in judgement after the game.
• Narsingh is not good in tight spaces. We might have a lot of ball possession on Hungary's side. This could lead to him being ineffective.
• I have no idea what to expect from Hungary. Sure we beat them now many times in a row, but last time at home they were already stronger and showed more determination. Hungary had a good first result in the group and some people already claim Hungary is our main rival, not Turkey. More importantly, I do not know what to expect from the Dutch NT. All these new kids make you wonder about consistency and for how long we can get away with these defensive hick ups. I read many comments from fans from other NT's, showing the belief they fancy their chances on a surprise against Netherlands. The reason for that can be found in the following saying: "Invincibility lies in defense, the possibility of victory in the attack." It's from Sun Tzu. Dutch NT sides often have part 2, but part 1, especially in these times is not really present. People deem the Dutch NT as unbalanced and that offers any side a chance, especially in the sport of football. That's to bad as you don't benefit from any lack of belief on the other teams part. It does result in fun games though.
• I think Maher might get into the team second half. Clasie subbed, Strootman to DM, Maher to right midfield position. My problem with Maher is 2 things. The first problem is how he let an attacker simply get passed him against Bayern, PSV recently for the 5-1 and Austria in U21 just a few days ago. He should show more aggression and defensive ability in those situations. My second problem with Maher is his wastefulness with his final passing. He sees the through pass often and also is a a spot to give it. Then however, it's too hard or not in the run of the attacker. I hope both these points will be improved.

 

Robben out of the game with a groin injury. That's a huge loss.

 

I don't know what to expect from this game. So much mediocrity on the Dutch side.

 

Hope Lens can show some magic. It is a player that has something, but against Belgium he was pretty bad.

 

To bad RVP.

 

Sneijder easy ball loss, as against Turkey.

 

What a start. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoal. Lens. Golazo

 

Excellent 1-2 Nasringh-RVP, excellent cross Narsingh, excellent header from small boy Lens.