Howard: Newcastle vs. Everton 9/18 (R)

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  1. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Howard starts as always
     
  2. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Newcastle takes a 1-0 lead just before halftime
     
  3. alocksley

    alocksley Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    Burbank, CA
    Paging Mr. Donovan. Mr. Donovan, white courtesy phone...
     
  4. johnsemlak

    johnsemlak Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had to step out of the room and missed the goal but the online commentaries say it was a screamer from 20 yards; can't say whether Howard should have had it. He's been competent in making a few saves but didn't have to do anything spectacular until the goal.
     
  5. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Yokohama F-Marinos
    Jul 16, 1999
    Paradise of the Pacific
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whew, that was scary at the end there.
     
  6. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It ends 1-0 to Newcastle

    In stoppage time Everton hit a post and saw Fellani put a golden opportunity over the bar.
     
  7. johnsemlak

    johnsemlak Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't know whether to chalk Everton's poor run to bad luck, poor finishing, or what. It's a real headscratcher that they managed three versus United and couldn't score against Newcastle, though I think Newcastle has more or less demonstrated that they're going down was a bit of a freak event and they seem to have a quality squad.
     
  8. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their relegation was the just culmination of a couple of years of suckiness.
     
  9. johnsemlak

    johnsemlak Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    suckiness both on and off the field though. They wouldn't have gone down if they'd had a stable management situation.
     
  10. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Everton seemingly do this every year, they always stutter at the start. And theyve had a strong bunch of opponents.

    And yeah, Newcastle just needed to drop a bunch of dead weight. It was a thorough wakeup call for them.
     
  11. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. It was good for the club to remember how to win again.
     
  12. wooglin12

    wooglin12 Member

    Mar 26, 2005
    Birmingham, AL
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought that was usually due to injuries (especially last year), though I could be wrong. They're relatively healthy this year.
     
  13. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tim was the best player on the field for Everton. Not at fault for the goal and he had some good saves.

    But absolutely dreadful play from Everton. I'm just so surprised. Something just seems to be amiss.

    I'm really confused on how they're lining up out there. Fellaini is playing farther up the field than Arteta, which seems backwards to me. Arteta is about the only player they have who can consistently deliver a good final pass. And that's what they were missing today: a decent final pass. Pienaar tries, but usually they're overhit and have much too much pace on them.

    And Fellaini had to have had his worst game I've ever seen. His touch was awful, decision-making was awful. He always seemed a day late and a dollar short on everything he tried.

    I don't know what's going on with them, but they were not the Everton I'm used to seeing. In fact, this whole year so far they're not the Everton I'm used to seeing.

    Hope they don't dig a hole that's too deep to climb out of.
     
  14. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    they do this every year. and every year for some reason they start playing better and better.

    Landon would have been the cure to their slow start.
     
  15. trainwreck

    trainwreck Member

    Sep 1, 2008
    Watch the replay of the goal when the camera is behind the striker. Howard drifts further and further to the right side of his goal, opening up more and more space on his left. When the shot comes, he's too far out of position to make the save.

    Being out of position when the shot is taken is most definitely Howard's fault.

    Mid to long range shots like this have been his weakness for quite some time, and he still doesn't seem to have corrected the problem.
     
  16. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    nonsense. That is a lot easier to say after the ball goes in. By that standard, every single keeper is out of position on every single goal.
     
  17. trainwreck

    trainwreck Member

    Sep 1, 2008
    It's an easy trap for a keeper to get sucked into. The play seems to be going to one side, so you drift too far in that direction as a compensation. In this case, Howard was close enough to his right post that he would have been able to save a shot to that side without even diving. That makes sense when the striker is 10 yards out, but it doesn't help at all against a longer shot like this one today.

    When the striker is outside the box and fairly central on the field, the keeper needs to realize that the shot can go towards either side of the goal and position himself accordingly.

    And, as has been the case for both the USMNT and for Everton, Howard showed today that he has a weakness when it comes to defending against these kind of longer range shots.

    Absolutely nothing I have said here is "nonsense."
     
  18. salsa_caliente

    salsa_caliente New Member

    Nov 11, 2009
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their goal was a screamer. Even if Howard did have a chance to make that save, it would have been spectacular. He made a couple good saves during the game, though they weren't amazing. He wasn't the best player for Everton -- that was Distin. But the loss was far from his fault.
     
  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    except that you pointed this out after a goal went in. His positioning is usually excellent. Realistically, he is considered one of the top keepers in the Prem. You, on the other hand, watch soccer from your living room, basement or your computer. The chances of your knowing more about keeper positioning than Tim and his coaches is rather small.
     
  20. trainwreck

    trainwreck Member

    Sep 1, 2008
    I'm willing to bet that when Howard watches the game film, he would also agree that his positioning wasn't optimum.

    I'm not saying I know more about goalkeeping than Tim and his coaches-- I'm just saying I know more about it than you! :)
     
  21. Deimos

    Deimos Member

    Apr 23, 1999
    Louisville, KY, USA
    Will you post the replay so we can judge for ourselves?
     
  22. Yanks Abroad

    Yanks Abroad Member

    Aug 30, 2009
  23. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I can think of a couple goals against this summer where his positioning was off...

    But I digress. Howard's main asset has always been his athleticism, but his positioning and his command of the box on set plays has always been iffy.

    It's the latter that prevents him from being world class and keeps him as "merely" very good.
     
  24. johnsemlak

    johnsemlak Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In recent years the poor start was put down to injuries. That wasn't the case for Everton at the start of this year, though the Cahill injury now is a real blow it would seem.
     
  25. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.

    I mean, we get a little sensitive on here sometimes.

    EDIT:He has a legitimate question about the lack of ball pressure by his midfield.
     

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