News: How to Topple an Authoritarian Regime

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  1. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Club: San Diego FC
    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
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    Eat a dick Pam. How many protests have you attended in the U.S.? I guarantee I've been to many more than you, and why don't you call? Too cheap? Or is sending spam email just how you roll?
     
  2. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say that once a week since Jan 2025, a friend or coworker asks me why all Americans aren't in the streets en masse. All I can say is that you think you are.

    Look, be mad at me all you want. I am literally just the messenger. Opinions of Americans have never been lower and not just attitudes toward the right. Go ahead and ask people from other countries!
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    You dodged his question.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Just what an English authoritarian would do.
     
  5. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    Absolutely. You're all mad. I'll focus on the central thesis of this thread -- if you aren't willing to commit I will help you leave, if you aren't willing to commit or leave you implicitly support the regime -- and ignore everything else.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are a very simple thinker.
     
  7. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Not sure why you think we don't know that? I'm in a ski resort town with oodles of fresh snow and consequent foreign visitors.

    But we're up against the greatest difficulty imaginable-- our populace voted for this crap. With malice aforethought and substantial forewarning they endorsed this, to the point of empowering this in all three branches. Until a substantial portion of the complaisant and compliant decide this is not what they meant, being in the streets won't achieve anything much at all.

    MAGA don't care.
     
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    That's precisely the opposite of what is true. You don't need the hardcore 40% MAGA to do anything. Or even the third of Americans who don't vote. Elites make peaceful regime change decisions. You have to make life hard enough for the elite -- that decide whether to prop up democracy -- that they choose to back democracy. That's who protests, strikes, boycotts, etc., hurt.

    If 4% of Americans are in the streets for a sustained period, shutting down the country, the elites cave.
     
  9. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I gather your degree was basically mathematical? Because you don't seem to read very well? I said nothing about the hardcore.
     
  10. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    ...Those are the complacent (nonvoters) and compliant (pro-MAGA)...
     
  11. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Aren't there nuances? I mean, those who have analyzed authoritarian regimes with repressive systems have shown that people's attitudes aren't binary. For example, the concept of 'non-consent' to a repressive situation was created to describe these gray areas. It refers to the largely invisible mass of people who are neither complicit nor passive.
     
  12. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Actually it was the misinformed (complacent) and the careless or axe-to-grind (compliant) as I saw them .And that mignt be just about your 4%...

    It is when those people decide they actually are concerned about whether the apple cart remains upright that street action might pry enough others loose to get somewhere. But hard core MAGAs believe that rain falls up and that the earth is round and flat simultaneously.
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    You need to be committed
     
  14. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    It seems to me that he found the thing that he was going to do anyway...leave...and somehow rationalized it into the best, main, and only course of action. Nevermind that he's still paying federal taxes and keeping his citizenship. Then he bitches that everybody else isn't doing enough.

    Kind of a dick move if you think about it.
     
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  15. kribi

    kribi Member

    Lyon
    France
    Jan 21, 2022
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    Taking to the streets massively and repeatedly is always a good thing and may have an impact, but it's not enough. The crux of the matter is money. Money is the only language the elites speak, the only thing they understand, money is untouchable. The elites don't give a damn about people protesting outside of working hours. Paralyzing the country and making the elites lose money is often the only way to get things moving.
    But that reminds me of this comment I read from an American:

    "kinda realized after getting hundreds of liberals and leftists alike howling at me for saying a general strike would accomplish more in a few days than decades of peaceful marches, that we are nowhere near ready for a proper movement"

    And indeed, the famous American dream, this concept of capitalist leaders, has worked very well for so long : why have national unions that defend the rights of workers and citizens when *anyone* i.e everybody (you, you, and you, also you and you ...(lol)) can become a billionaire !
    Now is maybe too late.
     
  16. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    They absolutely are, you're right. But the stakes are now sufficiently high that sitting on the fence tacitly lends legitimacy to the regime. The court system in this country is either powerless or unwilling to interpret laws, and the federal legislature unwilling to make laws. The only branches acting are the federal executive and its paramilitary, and the states -- and at some point the states will defy the federal executive. It's not an outcome we want to reach. We've already damaged faith in contracts. I understand ambivalent attitudes but at some point it does become black and white.

    Being mad at me doesn't stop everyone in Europe, Africa, Asia, and South America from being appalled at how few Americans protest.

    The latest No Kings rally got five million people. In 2003, Rome and Madrid alone drew almost that many for a single anti-Iraq war protest.
     
  17. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Source/link? This article from Politico says 5 million in June 2025 and 7 million in October 2025.
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Back of the passport math...340M 'Mericans...4% need to march per AM rules...that's 13.6M. C'mon! Only 2% of youse bums are marching. :mad:
     
  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
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    Maybe most people is just waiting for slightly better weather? I imagine that it is difficult to stage a protest with a snowstorm every week, not to mention that it is more difficult to get millions out win coordinated protests when the country spans half a continent…

    The next no-kings rally scheduled for March 28th if you’re interested…
     
  20. Val

    Val Moderator
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    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Thats why what's going on in Minneapolis is so significant. It's freakin' freezing! And it is completely organic. There are maybe 20 indivisible chapters in the Twin Cities that have sprung up in the past year, apparently. Ive been ranting about the futility of the dispersed nature of the No Kings rallies since the first one, so I'm putting money I don't have where my mouth is and going to Minneapolis this weekend. We need a lot more people there. Now.
     
  21. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The Iraq War was world-wide so you'd expect millions more. And it didn't stop the war. Fascists rarely care about public opinion.
     
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  23. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    From the Guardian:

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  24. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Club: San Diego FC
    Jul 2, 2003
    Fornax Cluster
    Nat'l Team:
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    Nobody’s mad at you. You’re just an insufferable, conceited, pretentious, narcissistic asshole and people respond accordingly.
     
  25. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    United States
    I like this post. It reveals priorities in a way few others could.

    Two journalists have just been arrested by the DOJ, mere days and hours after separate courts said doing so would be unconstitutional, merely for exercising their protected rights.

    And your first and only BigSoccer action today is to yell at me. Not say "******** these fascists," not say you're gonna do something about it.

    It's beyond parody. Maybe go protest instead?
     

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