How Should Soccer be Played?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by BlackGold, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    So wait, if there is an extremely good player on the opposition, you would just let him waltz by you? As a player, I can say many times that there has been players faster than me, and veyr skillful, and being extra physical with them is what helps you win those battles.

    Trying to tackle the ball cleanly never gets you anyway. You put a body on him and use some force. Make him uncomfortable.
     
  2. Pedro's greasy do

    Nov 7, 2008
    London
    Club:
    Glasgow Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Where did I say foul? Football is a contact sport. Intimidation has always been a part of it. As well as verbal.
     
  3. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    What are you talking about , im talking about the style of the whole game and players not tactics , these 4 teams play a beautifull and tehnically very good game as opposed to say england.
     
  4. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Welcome noob :rolleyes:
     
  5. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So in your opinion

    Spain , Portugal , Argentine and Brasil do not play tehnically almost flawless soccer and england does?
     
  6. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're not very bright at all, are you?
     
  7. markluvceltic

    markluvceltic New Member

    Dec 31, 2008
    VA
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just think as a player you need to enjoy the good things that happen in a game and learn from the bad things. And try to make it look good.
     
  8. phil80

    phil80 Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Yes to the first question and it is up to the player if they decide to play rough but it is the ref's job to make sure those challenges do not get out of control. And as far as marking someone like Messi, if a single player can't do it then have the formation where two players are marking him at all times. There is nothing wrong with defensive soccer which imo can also be entertaining how the the team tactically defends, but my issue are the heavy tackles with the purpose of getting some of the player, that is not how the game should be played and it does nothing but encourage long ball type of football.
     
  9. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Have you ever watched Portugal play?
     
  10. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    If you play football and a defender tries to tackle you out of the game you feel smug as it means the defender realises he isn't quick enough or good enough to catch you otherwise. On that note if you are quick enough and let the ball do the work and don't pointlessly dribble with the ball there's not a bad tackle that can stop that - your long ball comment is a bit weird in that regard. Again in a simple game where players don't keep the ball at their feet for too long and where they pass the ball aroung quick enough there isn't much point to tackling, or indeed to the long ball game.
     
  11. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Portugal players have amazing tehnique just like brazil , argentine and spain players , you guys are obviusly too blind to see it , because thats a fact.
     
  12. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it isn't. You're obviously the quintessential product of public education.
     
  13. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Who is then? England? Germany? gosh ur smart , educate me why won't you
     
  14. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no trace of reference to a "who" in my statements. I see you also lack basic context comprehension...
     
  15. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And you lack the brains to back ur things up , if you claim something proove it , if not shut up.
     
  16. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well tell me Einstein, what exactly have I claimed? If you can correctly answer it, I'll give you the evidence you seek...though I fear it will be a futile effort seeing as how you probably won't grasp it anyway.
     
  17. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You claim its not a fact that portugal players have very good tehnique and play attractive soccer which is not true.
     
  18. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh, close enough...there's hope for you yet. In actuality whether Portuguese players have amazing technique is not a matter of fact, but one of preference and opinion. What you may find amazing, Tulele Falatulu in Zambia may not. One could argue that though the Portuguese have wild foot skills, they aren't the most honest of players and, relatively speaking, dive an awful lot...which some may fine less than stellar.

    The Argentines, though the seem to have mastered proficient and precise passing as well as effective off the ball runs also seem to lack integrity with many high profile contraversial hand balls, dives, and cheap shots. The matter of how a team is percieved depends completely on the person watching them, it's subjective.

    It is because of this that the question of how SHOULD soccer be played can only truly be answered by looking towards the laws of the game...everything else is relative to the preference of the aficionado.

    A great man once said (and judgin my the national team which you support, I assume he was a compatriot of yours), "[A people who cannot read and write, are a people who are easily decieved]"
     
  19. LeoMessi

    LeoMessi New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    But you fail to understand that I didn't mean that everyone should play soccer like brasil etc...
    What I meant was that in my preference I like to watch teams that play attractive soccer and dribbles , great passing etc... as opposed too aggressive and strong soccer like for example Germany.
    That was unrelated to any country and how a certain country should or should not play , or how it should or should not strive to be.
     
  20. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't say you did, so there was no failure of understanding.
    That is not what you stated, though. You said it was fact, that was what I was arguing. Btw, I too have the same preferences...but Portugal is a bit much and Brazil just doesn't seem to be it's old self. I dig Spain and Argentina's style, and I liked Mexico under La Volpe. I actually don't mind Germany so much, they are a bit fast and furious but they're not the long ball/counter attack dredge that England is. Netherlands have always been fun to watch for me.
     
  21. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I do. I prefer La Liga style. Not that there isn't good football being played in Europe, though I do think the style of the Big Four is overrated.
     
  22. phil80

    phil80 Member

    Aug 25, 2007

    I disagree, if defenders have it in their mind to get a piece of you, it doesn't matter how quickly you release the ball, they will come in late for a challenge even after you have gotten rid of it. And this encourages long ball football because even quick passing gets players hurt. It also makes the better techincal players reluctant to take on defenders, just like messi against atletico last week. He received a very bad challenge and after that he quit taking on players for the rest of that game. Those kinds of challenges deserve harsher punishments and should not be tolerated.

    Another example, is against your countryman in the last world cup. Boulharouz's challenge against ronaldo that left him out the rest of the match and it also should not have been tolerated.
     
  23. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Harsh challenges are part of the game and always have been and hopefully always will be. If they go against the rules the referee is there to correct it. Technically superior players should have the intelligence not to put themselves in a position that they can be vulnerable to harsh tackling. Kudos to the Atletico defence for stopping Messi taking on players. That's all a vital part of football. If Messi can't handle that it's his problem. By the way you might want to check the world cups of the 1970s. You never heard players like Cruyff and Neeskens complain about harsh tackling. They just got on with it even though the tackling was about ten times worse back then.
     
  24. phil80

    phil80 Member

    Aug 25, 2007
    Agree to disagree then. If you think these tactics are good for football, then that is your opinion. And your third sentence is absolutely incorrect. Rewatch matches of Pele and Maradona and see how many times they received harsh tackles, and if they are not technically superior then i don't know who is.
     
  25. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    I never said that there were no Portuguese players with technique, I just don't think they play particularly entertaining football.
     

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