How Much Better Can We Get? - The Transfers, Rumors & Lies Thread

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  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He was absolutely awful at Arsenal as well.

    When you talk with fans in England people only remember how much hair gel he used.

    The typical "eternal promise"
     
  2. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 15, 2019
    They were practically bragging about signing him a couple of days ago and now….

    It’s kinda like when we thought we had Mbappe in the bag in 2022.
     
  3. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    CONFIRMED by @MarcA and @diarioas: Real Madrid WILL sign a midfielder this summer. The decision has been made, 100%.

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    Could be Paz? Yet to see concrete news about any other midfielder in the media.
     
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  4. Galatico

    Galatico Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Aug 15, 2019
    I was thinking about this too. What if we’re just bringing back Nico and it’s not some galactico signing that some in the media were suggesting.
     
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  5. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    Hes a bit of a ballhog and doesn't make the most timely decisions in tight spaces. But even if his ceiling is not worldclass, hes very good to have as a rotational player. I'm not going to hold a guy at fault for being *almost* great. Keep him and add another one similar to him, just better defensively and more of a team player. Bischof could have been that but hes gone too smh
     
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  6. Nir_O

    Nir_O Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
    If we don’t bring Kroos replacement we can forget about winning Barcelona or winning the CL.

    We don’t have the middle field to control and win big games and we saw that this season.
    Liverpool has Macalister
    Barca had Pedri
    PSG has Vitinha
    Inter has Barella
     
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  7. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He's a fair weather player that looks great when the team is rolling but he can't be a factor on a team, he just doesn't influence the game like that.
     
  8. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    Dec 16, 2006
    California, US
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    Nah, you’re being too harsh again. It was clear the team played worse when he got injured, which by definition means he had influence. You clearly dislike the player but you’re overboard about him for whatever reason. Far from perfect but filled a role that made things tick better in the absence of Kroos. Shame it wasn’t utilized earlier in the season and that he has such trouble staying healthy.
     
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  9. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Klopp's Pool had no one like Kroos. Players you mentioned are part of midfield 3. While we have Jude, Fede, Tcho and essentially saying they can only be part of a working midfield with a 4th one added.

    Also wasn't Guler signed as eventual Modric replacement? No successful path without next Kroos sounds damning and that only 4-4-2 can work with the starters we have.
     
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  10. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    He's another brutal player entering his prime..
     
  11. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
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    You can always say "he doesn't influence the game" but you can't exactly pinpoint why. Saying he was awful at Arsenal is a massive exaggeration, he was decent just not a world beater. But were used to this weird crusade you have against him by now.

    Both us and Arsenal expected that he can "put it together" because he has the talent but sometimes it doesn't work out like that for a million reasons. But if you have some perspective instead of unreasonable expectations, hes a very good player. I'd say he lacks intangibles to be really great - tactical awareness, anticipation, stuff like that - but with Modric leaving, there is no harm from keeping him.
     
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  12. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    Dec 16, 2006
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    I think he’s cut out a lot of the extra useless touches he favored at Arsenal and early in Madrid. For me one of his biggest flaws is his lack of a shot or even looking for one when near the box. Makes it much easier to defend. He is a solid midfield option just not a week in and our starter. Ideally his spot in this squad would be taken by a talented youth player at this point but apparently we have no decent midfield talents?
     
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  13. MadridUSA

    MadridUSA Member

    Dec 2, 2013
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    If we’re open to signing a veteran who’d be good for only a few years (like we’ve done recently with Rudiger and Alaba), Labotka would be a great option.
     
  14. MadridUSA

    MadridUSA Member

    Dec 2, 2013
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    Your point is correct, but I think those players are closer in profile to Modric than Kroos. Like their closest equivalents to Kroos are Gravenberch, De Jong, Fabian Ruiz, and Calhanoglu.
     
  15. Nir_O

    Nir_O Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Mar 16, 2019
    Casemiro-Kroos-Modric the end.
    Now it’s time to build a new middle field.
    I hope it’s going to be a massive transfer window with some new faces.
     
  16. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    Problem is, Madrid isn't and will never be a gegenpressing team.

    So I think it's either Arda develops into a world beater overnight, or Madrid signs a more established passing midfielder. I'm not a fan of signing an AM bec. I want Jude there as a constant goal threat.
     
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  17. arcane

    arcane BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    Breaking news: Real Madrid has signed a new galactico midfielder for a free transfer...

    Uncle Flo has has managed to sign Toni Kroos for next season :p
     
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  18. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    I think Nico is going to surprise many people.

    He is closer to a regular player than Guler.

    Guler right now is an AM and can fill in at right wing or at rcm (assuming there is a dm behind him) but its not optimal.

    Nico can probably naturally fill in at rcm without a problem, and may be a more effective right winger because although he is also not the fastest like Guler, he has a physicality to his game.

    I also think that Nico may be able to play in a double pivot long term. He is closer to an 8 like Valverde and Bellingham.

    In star studded teams, it always beneficial to have a profile that allows you to fit in multiple positions because they are not moving the stars out of position so you can play your favorite positon.
     
  19. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    I am still emotional about last night. Modric was voted the worst signing of the year. Actually, I did not understand why Perez brought him to the club. Kroos was disrespected by Bayern. Casemiro came to the academy unnoticed. I doubt anyone really knew him when he made his first team debut. Of course, it was nice to sign a Galactico or someone with a good rep, but history showed that things can happen differently.

    So, Nico Paz might become a Real Madrid legend. Or Nico Williams too.
     
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  20. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    The problem with Rodrygo which becomes apparent from these comparisons (and even if you go back a year) is that Rodrygo makes very few key passes which I use as a substitute for "playmaking".

    He is a very direct player. Even when he plays behind a central striker, he does not play as an AM but a second striker. He just does not have that passing creativity which is sort of needed when your other attackers are Mbappe, Vini, and Bellingham. Because of this, he is just a bad fit on the right. I don't know if any websites split his statistics by position, because I think this is less of an issue when he playing on the left. He is more creative on the left wing but its a small sample size.

    This is a consistent pattern. If you compare him to Brahim 23/24 (Brahim key passes dropped this year) or Kubo in any of the last two years... this contrast stands out again.

    Unforunately, there are a lack of natural right wing options. Liverpool was linked to Kubo this last year when Salah's future was in doubt. And he was also linked to PSG who has numerous left wing options playing on the right. It is not a surprise that PSG is now linked to Mastantuno who is 17 because what other right wingers are there? This sort of tells you the state of right wingers right now.
     
  21. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Moving Fede back to the midfield and having Trent on the right and Dani back solves all your problems without needing a proper right winger.
     
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  22. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    I still have my doubts. Trent has Salah in front of him. He acts alot like an inverted fullback which is actually more appropriate for the left side where Vini plays.
     
  23. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    That’s assuming you’re going to play with 3 up front though, which is likely not going to be the case. And if so, then you’ll need your RB/LB to be a wingback.
     
  24. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 17, 2006
    Why did the Stiller rumors die out?
     
  25. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    The assumption here is that TAA works as a wingback when right now the evidence is to the contrary. England tried him probably a dozen times at RWB and it didn't work.

    In particular, it did not work because TAA did not make use of that extra freedom on the right that comes fromt the extra space. People assumed that because he is a good creator/passer and not great defensively, it would help cover up his deficiencies. In the end, if you listen to Slot or Klopp they give you the perspective that TAA just needs to play RB and defend. They have tried the other options.

    The most important factor for a wingback is the ability to make use of that extra space. Bayer has Frimpong on the right, who runs up and down the flank. He does not resemble TAA at all.
    Grimaldo plays more like TAA on the left at Bayer, but he connects with Wirtz who leans towards the left (similar to Vini at Madrid).

    This TAA as a wingback phenomenon is not something new.
     

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