since in SoccerScout's thread it seems like everyone agrees only the keepers and maybe donovan would make the cut, who would make Brazil's "B" team, such as the one being used in the Confed's Cup.
Hmm... not much difference really. Brazil has 2 or 3 teams that would be at the same level. I think Brazil is going to play extremely well at the Confeds cup with this "b" team. I say that because it just seems like the right team, at the right time, in the right place. They will do better than if they had there "A" team with Rivaldo , Cafu and company. Anyway , I think most US'ers still wouldnt make Brazil's B team. I would say to see players like OBrien, Beasley, Pope get a chance on a Brazil team that would have to be a Brazil "D" team. Give or take...
about brazil's confed cup team, how is luis fabiano's thigh doing? is he gonna be able to play. as for who would make the team...well i dont know if anyone would. with a thread like your's SS and this one it really makes me appreciate Bruce Arena. the quality of the US's players has definitely gone up, but when compared to the talent to other countries we are still pretty low, which makes me realize the chemistry, team work, and strategy that must be present to make the US a somewhat successful side.
I don't think the difference in skill level is that big. Friedel could definitely play in goal for Brazil A. Donovan and Pope could play for Brazil B, and O'Brien could possibly play for Brazil B. Mathis is hard to quantify: he's a great finisher, very similar to Jardel... but Brazil doesn't seem to have that much use for pure goalscorers. Note that Romario and Jardel were both left off the WC team. Mathis might actually be a better finisher than most of the Brazil forwards, and has good vision, but ultimately he gets consigned to Brazil D or E. I don't think Beasley gets in anywhere above D, if at all - Brazil has no shortage of good dribblers. McBride is as good as his position as most of Brazil's B team are at theirs, but Brazil has no use for a target forward, so he would only get an occasional call-up at best.
I love it how blindsided a fan can be. OBRien on a Brazilian "A" team, only a blind US fan would ever even suggest that it would be so easy. There would be about 8 candidates for the spot in Brazil before they came around to OBrien. Im not saying Obrien is a bad player, Im just saying that you cannot think OBrien would be such a sure thing simply if Roberto Carlos wasnt around. OK Now you suggest that 5 US players are Brazil A level including HeyDude! Thats pure insanity! Heydude couldnt even find playing time in the German league!!
Heydude , that was kinda funny , RevPow , I do agree with some your US players , but this one , i am sorry...buy Heydude , huh . Even god is laughing
Have you seen Marco and Dida play much? I wonder why a number of big clubs in Europe want these two keepers and not Keller. As already pointed out by other posters, the rest of your post makes just as little sense.
"since in SoccerScout's thread it seems like everyone agrees only the keepers and maybe donovan would make the cut, who would make Brazil's "B" team, such as the one being used in the Confed's Cup." brazil could probably have 2 teams from all euro players and a c team of only brazil based players.
Not to mention some other up and coming goalies in Brazil that Americans that dont watch the Brazilian league never heard of, like Diego (goalie of the year last year for Juventude now with ATletico Paranaense), Julio Cesar (Flamengo) or veterans Danrlei (Gremio), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo). Brazil has always had great goalies but people always like to put them down and then they win WC's like Tafarel did in 94.
you could even argue for regis, fabiano, roger, and gilmar. theres also gomes from your inter and cruzeiro's eduardo. btw u see darnley agaisnt inter the other day?
Friedel Keller Howard Hartmann Brown Countess Walker Cannon Meola Hahnemann Look, I lived in Brazil, I follow Brazilian soccer. I don't think a single field player for the USA would be a shoo-in for the Brazilian national team. Our best field players - guys like Reyna or O'Brien or Donovan would be on the fringe, at best. But the USA has the best keepers in the world. We're a factory for world class keepers. That's not a knock on Brazil's keepers - I know Europeans love to dig on Brazilian keepers (because they have to find something to dig on). Our keepers are better than any European country's too. It's the one thing we're good at, the one thing that makes our national team competitive at all. It's what we do. The USA has great keepers. Lots of 'em. Too many of them.
first off id rate the italian duo of buffon annd toldo above friedel and keller casillas and canizares are also better than those two now to that list vicar put up how can those keepers be better than a world cup winning keeper and a champions league winning keeper? i knew you had lost your mind once you put tony meola on there
I agree with your evaluation of the current Brazilian keeper situation. However, let's not get carried away and give Felix (keeper for the 1970 team) too much credit. RevPOWA and Vicar probably watched too much of the 1970 team.
This is lunacy. So Johny Walker should be starting for Ac Milan? Walker may be among the best in Chile but he is among the best in South America, yet he is better than any Brazilian keeper. Some American have fantasy about their keepers. Yes Friedel, Keller and Howard are great superb but the rest aren't any more special than the other countries that produce great keepers.
You know, it is stupid for Americans and Brazilians to fight about soccer. You know why? Because the exact same thing you are doing to the USA, the Europeans always do to Brazil. They minimize Brazil, they minimize the coaches, the players, the keepers. Five world cups and you still don't really get their respect, just their barbs and excuses. And what do you do? You turn around and do the same thing to USA players. No, field players aren't as good. Duh. You're Brazil. That's not news. But I'm sorry, our keepers are great. We've got the most depth at keeper of any country on the planet. We've got guys on the bench in MLS who would be #1 keepers for big European clubs and tons of countries if they could get work permits. We don't have the backdoor for most our guys of claiming a Portuguese or Italian grandpa and getting a passport to go play. Guys like Friedel and Keller have earned their place with their play alone, not with their "ancestry". And you can talk about World Cup medals and Champions League medals all you want - those medals were won by the best field players in the world and a brutal defense, respectively. Marcos and Dida didn't have as much weight to carry. You start these trolling threads where you can say how great your team is, but you hide behind smoke and mirrors because the truth of the matter is, our keepers are better than your keepers. End of story.
i dont think europeans minimize brazilians how can they brazilians have ruled the world cup i dont know where you got that idea from i think you are just trying to get people to forget you said meola and walker where better than dida and marcos
They are. I have no problem saying that. Every starting goalie in MLS, and most of the reserves, would be Brazil's number one keeper if they were brazilian. Hell, I think Canada has ten keepers better than Dida. I think Canada has ten women keepers who are better than Dida. Paul Grafer is better than Marcos. Paul Grafer's pants are better than Dida. My next door neighbor is better than Taffarel. I can train a monkey to be a better keeper than any Brazilian in history. Brazilian futebol would probably be better if you had an 11th field player and didn't even use a keeper. There are prarie dogs in Wisconsin, stricken with the monkeypox, that have a better understanding of goalkeeping than Marcos, Rogerio, Carlos Germano, Dida, Taffarel, and Felix put together. Dida saves a few penalty kicks in the 99 Confederations Cup and now suddenly Brazil has good keepers? Ugh.