How many Americans actually know Brasilians speak Portuguese?

You could also say the same when a Spanish speaker and a Portuguese speaker try to have a conversation.

 

You'll need studies to back up that claim.

Personally, I don't see how you can even do it sub-conciously because it takes too many steps: listen, process, compare, speak, listen , process, compare, etc.
At each stage, unlike in a familiar sounded/pronounced speech, you'll have the added task of stoppage and a real conscious effort to produce both recognizable incoming and outgoing words to carry on a dialogue.

 

Nah he has a good valid point Villafria. One just has to look how one would talk with a business client opposed to speaking with his "dudes" from the neighborhood. Structure, sound, and words may very well change depending on the situation.

 

That proves nothing. I have correntinos and castelhano friends that "if i dont know something i ask or vice versa."

In portugueses case nobody is talking about just a simple case of different accents, you guys say plenty of things that people in Brasil dont even kno hat it means.

 

yeah right...

you guys might like to change "camisola ..." at the end of the game

aahahaha

fine???

 

But you fully understand what it means don't you.

 

Of course he is right. The language has evolved.

Its the same when I went to France, I asked for a bottle of water at a local store. The cashier had no idea what I was saying...lol. This was in part because the French I have learned is from Quebec.

Such examples can also be found in the English language as well, also in the Spanish language.

 

Gaucho no matter what, the language as a whole is from the same place as your ancestors are from; Portugal!!! hahaha ,But obviously if you or anyone who knows about the differnt dialects within Brazil or even Cabo Verde,Angola or madre Portugal should grasp an understanding of even the most basic of conversations unless your a dummy wich I know your not...
.....it's like my buddy from Goiania used to say when id ask him how he felt about Portugal ; "Portuguese Portuguese push push".....

 

Yes I do, but I also know what the german word Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän means so what does that prove? Tell camisola to a Brasilian and 99.99 % will think of a night gown.

 

Devilman you are mistaken.

The language as a whole is actually from Latin, and that's how I choose to see it. I can have such small vision as to think that our ancestry resumes to a couple of centuries old country. We have far more legacy in this world than that. And since that root language is common to many more people I enjoy the fact I can communicate with Italians, spanish and french people as well, who cares about the portuguese? They are less than the people on my state alone, so insignificant. I'd rather have a bigger reach.

 

That's where you cross the line buddy. Portuguese aren't insignificant . You're a racist to say the least. This whole thread is about the language but you keep on this subtopic.

 

although I agree that ColoradoGaucho is racist against portuguese, I guess in this particular post what he really meant is that Portugal´s population is insignificant, numerically speaking.

Meaning that 10 million people is an insignificant number compared to the total, and in this sense, the population of Rio Grande do Sul state (10.9 million people) is also insignificant.

 

lol....good come back, but thats the thing though. Rio Grande do Sul is a state...Portugal is a country! I have heard figures that there are more Portuguese descendent's living outside Portugal in the Americas then there are in the mainland...which is sad.

 

I tried to be accommodating to his stance, and not make a personal attack , but I disagree with your assessment, "I enjoy the fact I can communicate with Italians, spanish and french people as well, who cares about the portuguese? They are less than the people on my state alone, so insignificant." phrases pretty much leaves no doubt in my mind as to his frame of thinking. I personally don't have anything against Brazilians or their language, but this douche bag stands out as a racist.

 

Like "porra"....The Brasillians that I know kind of pronounce it....."poha". Heard it in movies from Brasil too.

 

You fail to understand that more important fact that before being "portuguese descendent's" they are in fact BRASILEIROS.

So again, I can choose to communicate with millions in latin america, europe and elsewhere or resume myself to trying to understand the people of a country that is smaller than parana?

 

Like I said it before.

hundreds of millions or 10 million ?


You fail to see the bigger picture here, and leave the personal attacks out of the conversation. If you can't then walk away.

 

Why the hell are you quoting me. That post was going along with your point view. Also, regarding the descendent's comment, you must be close minded. The United States of America, Canada, Venezuela all have large Portuguese populations...not only Brasil.

 

Wow, just found this thread. I knew Brazilians spoke Portuguese from a very early age. However, most of my American countrymen are geographically ignorant, to put it mildly. They cause me great amusement.

 

So you're saying that you rather talk with people from countries that have a large population? You mean countries like China, Russia, India, etc?
So you're a guy that rather rely on quantity than the context of the country itself? That makes little sense if none...after all, you're not going to talk with millions but only a few. You're obviously trying to bring up some sort of correlation but failing miserably. In fact, I'm expecting you to reply predictably so that I can counter with very strong facts. I dare you to do it, for my amusement.

You obviously have something against the portuguese. When you keep on bringing irrelevant arguments you're only exposing that hatred even more.

Pathetic to say the least.

 

Maybe he's a mulatto or a mestizo that had a Portuguese male ancestor that rapped the non-Portuguese female ancestor, and decided that was enough to make himself a beacon of anti-Portuguese rancor or racism . Whatever Colorado_GAUCHO dude, you don't hate a whole group of people or nation based on one bad apple.

 

What context?

portuguese music is lame, the food sucks, their wine is piss and the women are butt ugly (God bless the descendent's that got mixed in Brasil otherwise they would look like shit). So what portugal has to offer? I'd rather be in Buenos Aires any day than in lisbon.

As for the quantity I've lived in NYC and I had the chance to meet and interact with many italian/spanish/french people there and I've only met one portuguese lady (she is nice and all but she's very into Brasil so I guess that's why). Also I've to Europe several times (never to portugal) and the same applies there.