How Do You Replace a Legend? - The Transfers, Rumors & Lies Thread

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  1. HZinho

    HZinho Member+

    Apr 2, 2013
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    Real Madrid
    Agreed. An elite scorer would make things more comfortable, and Mbappe is one of the most elite in terms of finishing.
     
  2. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    United States
    I still feel like Haaland is a better answer to the no.9 problem than Mbappe.

    He's a bigger target man and aerial presence and gives defenses a different set of strengths and kills to defend against. He's a little out of place in Pep's system but would probably combine well with Vinny and Rodrygo's run straight at the defense electricity.

    Mbappe is more of the same of what we already get with Vinny and Rodrygo. Great player but I just don't see him as a "missing piece" of the puzzle player here.
     
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  3. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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  4. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    id be fine with selling Vinny, getting Haaland, Mbappe and Rodrygo as our front three.
     
  5. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Man cold world
     
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  6. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Real Madrid
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    United States

    It's still redundant selling Vinicius and buying Mbappe if we still have Rodrygo in the team.

    Still would be left looking for a natural right winge player, or if we go to a 2 CF system with Haaland/Mbappe we will need RM, LM or LB/RB's that can stretch defenses and provide width.

    Now we are basically dismantling a title winning team because winning titles wasn't good enough anymore
     
  7. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    The team still lacks a midfield controller when Kroos & Modric leave. That is key to control the game, right now the team has to play counter against opponents of close quality because Kroos and Modric are limited stamina wise.

    Jude is the closest thing but isn't there yet.
     
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  8. Ahmadi8

    Ahmadi8 Member+

    Apr 14, 2005
    Bahrain
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    Real Madrid
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    Bahrain
    I'd be ok with losing you as a fan!!!!! :mad:
     
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  9. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    I know it’s not going to happen, Vinny will be here for a long time. He’s just extremely frustrating to support given his attitude and how he’s so inconsistent.
     
  10. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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    Colombia
    it’s easy to support Vini, he is one of our best players. I just don’t think we can sustain success with him as our top player. We need Kyllian. But with Mbappe and Billingjam, what team in the world wouldn’t want a player who generates as much danger and football as Vini?
     
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  11. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Real Madrid
    Neither Rodrygo or Vini are consistent, reliable goal scorers, and when a player as lethal in front of goal like Mbappe is, becomes available, you simply have to try your best to sign him.

    We would be too short sighted to look at the heroics in the two games vs. City, and the El Classico yesterday, and assume that we are more than competent up top.
     
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  12. Raul-7

    Raul-7 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Spain
    Aug 17, 2006
    True or perfect example is vs ManCity, Mbappe would've been the perfect player to release pressure off of our defense on the counter-attack.
     
  13. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Well IMO, first part, completely agree, second part yes and no, competency is one thing but we’ve always needed heroics at some point to win big games, every team needs to pull them out at times to win, we needed heroics at times to win with the greatest goal scorer ever, who was far more prolific than Kylian, cue Sergio, for me that’s just football, no givens,

    On another note I have immense gratitude for what these players have achieved so far this season, they’ve worked hard and they deserve all the plaudits, hopefully they can finish things off positively
     
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  14. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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    Real Madrid
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    United States
    This is beyond being critical of some missed chances. This is resentful and I don't understand it.

    Not only does Vinicius walk into every team in the world, he also becomes their best player, with the exception of whatever team Mbappe is on. If it's "frustrating to support" this player, I'm not sure you like this sport. Not only does he have one of the most diverse and aesthetically pleasing skillsets in the game, he's also arguably the most dynamic and explosive attacker. This is a player that will have his name alongside all of the legends of the past.
     
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  15. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Vinicius is right now one of the best 5, maybe even 3 attacking players in the sport.
     
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  16. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    Mbappe couldn't even do it against Barca. He wouldn't had a sniff of the ball against City. This is the problem with our fans and the grass is greener on the other side thinking. Nobody has better stats than Vini in knockout games yet here we are longing for everyone and anyone to replace him.
     
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  17. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Had Vini kept things simple yesterday, we would have scored a manita or close to that.
    Love him, but he was clearly trying to be overly cute.
     
  18. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid


    Vini quietly going to beat his tally from last season in 2/3 of the games played. He is getting better. Yet he can get frustrating with his missed chances but he more than makes up for it with his assists.

    Vini was involved in all but one goal yesterday, all but one goal against City etc etc. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who turns up in as many big games as Vini.
     
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  19. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Yeah, he was great, but as I said, he was trying too hard. I think he wanted to humiliate them a bit, which is cool, but we needed the result first. Vini is our best and most important player this season.
     
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  20. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    I don’t dispute Vinny’s ability, on the right day, he’s top player in the world. It’s when he’s not at that level, it’s a complete liability to the team. Of course his goal tally would increase this season due to no Benz and we’re relying him him and he’s taking penalties.

    what I don’t like is the complete lack of growth in his decision making. Time after time last night he turned the ball over and made the wrong decision. You could see Bellingham visibly get frustrated with him, Fede too. Rodrygo gets scapegoated but how the hell is he supposed to time a run when god knows what Vinny will do? Vinny has a chance to score and he does a back heel chop no look pass the Rodrygo that gets cleared easily.

    it’s the needless yellow card that he gets by yapping extras to Kunde at a crucial point in the match. He’s more concerned with winding up the opposition than performing.

    this is who he is. The brilliance is there and he’s fun to watch when he’s on his game. He’s extremely frustrating to watch when he’s squandering good chances with bad decisions or scrapping for fights that take us out of our game. He antics were rescued by Jude, twice in both Classico’s, it doesn’t need to be that way.
     
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  21. hector_br

    hector_br Member+

    Feb 13, 2007

    Vini is lucky to have Carlo around. That's the definition of father figure right there.
     
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  22. INST

    INST Member

    Real Madrid
    Aug 15, 2023
    His penalties are weird, not sure I trust him with those. Then again…we don’t have any specialists left in that area.
     
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  23. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Yeah, definitely. Compare it to how the cold relationship between Joao Felix and Simeone left everybody a loser. Atleti who's most expensive player ever turned out a bad investment, the player didn't improve and will most likely never reach the initial expecations, the coach couldn't take advantage of the talent available. A lose/lose/lose.
     
  24. .halamadrid2.

    .halamadrid2. Member+

    Nov 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Carlo has managed a host of players with huge egos. Our players are not that. Maybe when Mbappe comes he'll have to deal with a players who's ego is the size of the pitch. Carlo has said many times that the best thing about this squad is that it doesn't have any egos.

    Carlo's relationship to Vini is special. Carlo made a beeline for Vini after the game and they shared an embrace and a few words. Carlo famously kissed Ribery on his cheek when he threw a strop when he got subbed and he started laughing. The only one who's had a problem with Carlo has been Odegaard and that's because he went over his head to demand to start a number of games not on merit.
     
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  25. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
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    Most successful RM coaches this century had great rapport with the squad. Del Bosque, Zidane, Ancelotti. I think Xabi has that kind of personality too.

    Mou was a decent success, but Benitez had such an awful ego on top of pathetic football. We had opportunity to go after Conte multiple times (2018 &21) but didn't go through with it so I think we are done with narcissistic coaches.
     
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