How do you expect to be taken seriously?

Discussion in 'MLS: Clubs' started by 'Chopper', Apr 17, 2007.

  1. 'Chopper'

    'Chopper' New Member

    Oct 26, 2006
    Norwich, Norfolk, UK
    According to The Times' Danny Baker there are only 4, yes 4!, professional referees in MLS.

    How can a league like MLS expect to be taken seriously when the officials are, literally, a bunch of amateurs?

    In his column, Baker says:

    How many full-time soccer referees do you think there are in the entire United States? Well, I’ll tell you. Four. That’s right — four. Four blokes cover the whole thing.

    I find that incredible. I thought the US was supposed to be something like a soccer superpower these days, no? Yet there it is — in America, professional football referees are outnumbered by surviving members of The Partridge Family. Amazing. I have just watched a short film featuring this hardy quartet “getting ready for a new season” and it was without question the most boring thing I have seen.

    There’s nothing to explain how any of them came to be a member of this Gang Of Four at all. Three of the refs — Messrs Salazar, Toldeo, Marrufo — seem to be first generation descendants of families from traditional footballing nations but the fourth, Terry Vaughn, is a little harder to fathom. As a recent, rather breathless, US article on Vaughn has it, “Iowan Terry Vaughn has been involved in soccer his whole life. Who knew soccer would be the vehicle that could take him all over the world?! Vaughn has not forgotten his Iowa roots. He still resides in the Mount Vernon area, even though on a given day he and his whistle might be in Los Angeles, Washington DC, Guatemala or even Des Moines!”

    Vaughn himself also talks in a way I simply can’t imagine our own domestic whistlers doing. Here he is on what sort of kit he favours: “Black. Definitely black. It’s sharp and puts some weight on you.” On the toughest decisions: “I’ll have to go with disallowing a goal. Everybody’s celebrating and because of me the emotions are gonna go from one side to the other — real quick!” On where he ultimately would like to work: “I’d say Bundesliga. I took German in high school and I’ve always had a thing for the Germans.” Frankly I can’t see any referee in this country ever saying something like that — out loud anyway.

    And how about another of this Band Of Brothers — this time Baldomero Toledo — pondering his greatest wish: “I would love to be able to fly. If I was able to fly I could touch the stars.” A poetic ideal, for sure, but not the sort of thing you want the coarser element at Bramall Lane knowing about you. And here he is again, this time on what would constitute his perfect job. “The English Premier League. It is one of the top leagues and the players all respect the referees.” Uh, Mr Toldeo . . . I’d just stick with that first dream if I were you.


    Is MLS just a final pay-day for the fading elite or will it grow to be a 'serious' place to play professional football?
     
  2. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can you expect that we care about what you take seriously? Please hide your jealousy that most MLS clubs would beat Hearts 7-8 times out of 10 meetings a little better in the future. TIA.
     
  3. peabrainedidiot

    peabrainedidiot New Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    wessagussett
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yawn*

    How long was it before the FA had full time officials?
    Your league is decades older and we are getting there a hell of a lot faster than the epl and FA did.
    we're an 11 year old league, dumb ass.
    if we're not a serious league, why is the epl starting to snatch up young american talent?

    No one here is fooled, this is a "let's bash MLS thread".

    my reply is you are a stupid cvnt!
     
  4. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    All the officials in the German Football League are considered amateurs since they have other jobs. Oh the shame! But I suppose they've gotten used to not being taken seriously. :p
     
  5. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, one can certainly see how an SPL devotee would look down his nose at the amateurs in the Bundesliga. :rolleyes:
     
  6. peabrainedidiot

    peabrainedidiot New Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    wessagussett
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    how may refs does it take to officiate a league that only has 2 teams?:D
     
  7. Breakwood

    Breakwood Member

    Mar 23, 2004
    Toronto, Canada
    I guess the NFL shouldn't be taken seriously also.
     
  8. BobyOne

    BobyOne Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just so we can put this thread to rest: "professional" means that the referees do not have any other means of support outside of refereeing (i.e. it's their only job and they can focus on it). It DOES NOT refer to referees that work professional games. US Soccer has had a deep pool of referees for years, and has sent their referees to the World Cup regularly.

    Most referees are amateurs because most countries football federations do not have the money to pay them full time. This includes large countries like Germany. England FA has paid their referees full time only since 2001. (http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/08/22/soccer_ed3__10.php ). In fact, Pier Luigi Colina (you know, the bald guy), considered one of the best referees for years before retiring, is a financial consultant.

    US Soccer is jumping into the professional refereeing group as well. Considering that the number of federations in that group can probably be counted on the fingers of two hands, you should be congratulating us, not asking us how to be taken seriously.

    Next time before you put up a dumbass post, think. I suggest that Mr. Danny Baker does some research before writing columns too.
     
  9. Dr. Foosball™

    Dr. Foosball™ New Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Hot Springs, AR
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your a dumba$$, Chopper.

    BTW, we are better at your football than you are at ours, bi-otch.
     
  10. sublicon

    sublicon Member

    RBNY, Fulham FC
    United States
    May 28, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately, the idea that the number of professional referees we have is somehow a measure of how good we are at the game or how serious we are to be taken by the world, is moronic.

    F**k off to your own boards, son.
     
  11. peabrainedidiot

    peabrainedidiot New Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    wessagussett
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "his board"?

    I didn't know BS had a board for imbicils and child molestors:confused:

    oh wait, the hearts board...same thing:D
     
  12. rednow.red4ever

    Mar 30, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This appears to be a rare day when Peabrainedidiot and I agree on something....i need a drink....
     
  13. Midnight Attack

    Mar 13, 2005
    U.S.A|Jamaica|DCU
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since when does anyone even care if the refs are full time or not?

    Guy 1- Hey man you wanna go see DC play today?
    Guy 2- Naw man they don't have full time refs. :/
    Guy 1- :eek: :confused: :mad:
     

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