Horror for season tix holders

Sounds like you would be happier if you switched to being a baseball fan that roots for the Yankees. To each his own. Good luck.

 

b-bye !

 

Just joking about baseball, btw. Haven't gone to one of those also in about 18 years.

Just calm down. Metros have been screwed over with 2 incompetant gms and a former baseball loving commish that signed the useless tab to a series of max contracts which caused our bench to consist of everybody else's rejects. It will take at least and probably more, than 1/2 a season to gain respectability under Bradley.

My words of advice for what they are worth, just be patient and support the team. Btw, Columbus was darn good and that Martino is worth the price of the ticket alone.

 

Actually what's sad is you call yourself a soccer fan.

I (and my spouse) are season ticket holders, but I'm not a Metro fan by a long shot. I am supporting the league of the sport I love in the state I happen to live in.

Obviously I don't get as upset when Metro loses as when my team loses, but I still like to see good soccer. Sometimes that doesn't happen, but bad soccer is still better than no soccer. Would you rather live in Florida where you don't have the opportunity to see a live in season game?

I will continue to be a season ticket holder as long as there's a team based in NJ. If that team ever performs to your standards, you can thank myself and others like me who financially supported them until you came back. jerk.

 

If I lived in florida Ill be too high on X, drunk off my ass, and chilling on the beach to care about soccer.

Heck even in NY Im more excited about the new Yankee season, the Devils and Nets playoffs than soccer.

Its not about loving soccer its about paying money for a quality product. If they are gaoing to make me pay $16 for a ticket, $10 for parking, $70 for a jersey, and 3 hours of my life every week. Then the least they can do is give us a decent product and experience of goint to a game. Not excuses and runarounds. I dont care if its a soccer team or a freaking circus show, just put a freaking quality product out there or else make the tickets $10.

 

Metrogo you have every right to be upset and discouraged. I hear you man, and agree with you on the state of the team and its players especialy where you say they don't have a game plan and the new player especialy the rookies shouldn't even be playing . I am very very disappointed with Bob Bradley, was was he thinking when he recruted this kind of players. Mike Magee is not a soccer player, I know many like him, but he isn't cut out for outdoor soccer that is for sure. Is this the best we got from the draft ? The people behind me and around me were laughing at him each time he was touching the ball and messing up or falling over, i don't know what they were saying as i don't understand spanish, but they were not saying nice things I can asure you and they were right.
Bob Bradley must go, he needs to be fired now. I know what most of you going to say, but this is his crap team, not anyone elses fault but his alone. How could he assemble such a group of players and dare to have them in the starting line-up ? Those of you who do not agree with me clearly do not understand soccer.
This team performance was worst then the first ever game played by the Metrostars in their history.
How can the Metrostars organization assemble such a team and try to sell it to the fans, who the heck is going to return ? ... I will because i care deeply about the team and about the future of MLS, but how many of us are out there.

Metrogo, I agree with you on all counts, but disappointed you did not buy season tix. I know it is money, your money, if it is about the money i understand, but if you care about MLS and the future of div 1 then I wish you would reconsider and support the league. You could always purchase Galaxy season tix or something, but we need your support.

 

oh I wasn't done, LOL

and don't give me excuses that this is all they could do or he Bradley could do with limited finances, it is all BS. ( not bigsoccer).

As a coach you never start someone who just came out of crap college game and put him into a starting line-up on a supposedly professional team and level. You start them up a few minutes at a time as a sub, you start out with experienced players who been there before and you know what you get out of them and you can count of them.

I am certain that players like John Harkes, and others who were forced to retire could have helped the team in transition at a very low salary if they offered it, but no they giving us crap innexperienced players, so in one or two years time they would be working in an office somewhere . Look at Miles Joseph, Brian Kelly and so many others who are not even playing soccer anymore.


What is the MetrostarsBlack team supposed to be, it is our reserve team, Mike Magee and every innexperienced player should start there or be sent to an A league team for a year to gain some experience and prove themselves.

This is going to be a very very long season indeed. As I said it 2 months ago, I will say it again, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 2004 SEASON

 

While I consider myself a Metros fan, albeit not one that bleeds red and black like many others, I couldn't have said it any better than Burn20. Sure it is frustrating to watch the local side chase its tail year after year with little reward for the money, time, and effort spent each week supporting the Metros but it is still better than nothing. If that make me sound like a dupe at least I know I'm not alone.

 

I watched the entire match and i must say that it was an ugly game to sit through. There were periods of good play but overall it left a lot of room for improvement.

 

The moron quotient on this board is astounding. Let's bring back Joseph and Kelly! Oh how quickly we forget...

 

With that logic, what incentive is there for the team to improve the product if people are still willing to shell out their hard earned money (and time) to come and watch piss poor games?

This isn't the first year of MLS, where people understood it was going to take time. This is the EIGHTH year, and with the exception of the 2000 season, there hasn't been much to root for.

 

With Guevara joining the team, hopefully that moves Mathis to the forward spot where he is better suited to play and Magee can come off the bench to spell either Moreno or Mathis late in the game. In time Magee may become something special, but at this point his continued starting because he's "Bob's boy" could drag the team down.

 

Agree perfectly with the first sentence, but you lost me on the last. For years we were pissed off about paying over the hill vets, now we have the youngest Metro ever at 18. It may not be the final answer, but I do believe it's a step in the right direction. Remember, Bob Bradley does have a proven track record (which Zambrano did not besides wins), very few have a better knowledge about young players in the country, and he's pretty much a shoe-in to take over the reins from Bruce Arena when the time comes. I'm willing to chalk up the newcomers' mistakes of last night up to opening night jitters, and when Guevara gets here next week, it will be a completely different side, freeing up Mathis to do what he does best: score when he can and set up others when he must.

 

I think you deserve the award for most comprehensively missing the point.

The team sucked last year. To not rebuild it is 10 times more disrespectful to us than to rebuild it again. Have we had to rebuild our teams more times than we should have? Yes. But you miss the point. All of the other times we had coaches who were either incompetent, didn't care, or both. We have a coach who cares, a coach who knows what he is doing. In order to get better, the team has to rebuild. This was game one of that process. To not understand that is naive. To expect to be standing on the top of the mountain two steps down the path is naive.

First, there is a very good chance your "very mediocre" crew team will win the eastern conference this year.

Second, you can rightly blame the Metro management for a lot of what was wrong in the Stillitano/Metromedia days when our owners didn't care, our front office didn't care, and our team didn't care. If you can't see that thats no longer the case, no one here can help you.

Third, Jacob LeBlanc is one game into his career, as are Clark and Magee. Clark and Magee were both high draft picks. To not play them (especially Clark)is laughable. If you cannot see the world of difference between the potential of Clark and the current B level status of a guy like Ritchie Williams, than no one here can help you. The only way they can get better is to play.

Yes, if we had 15 David Beckhams on the bench Jacob Leblanc wouldn't be starting, but Bradley played who he thought was best. Remember that Lisi is injured, we don't have Guevara yet, guys like Gaven are still way down the path. I would rather have a young guys who might have a future than older guys who are either "has beens" or "never weres". Would you really rather see Daniel Hernandez and Petter Villegas running the pitch? Guys like Magee, Digi, etc are only going to have a future if you play them. I would rather have 10 Digis than 1 Ted Chronopolous. Remember Howard had some rough games and soft goals go by him early in his career. Did we throw him away to keep Mike Amman who was at the time a better keeper? No. Now Howard's grown from that into one of the better keepers in the league. It's called experience. If you don't play them, they don't get any, and then they become crap 26 year olds you have to let go while guys like you kill them for drafting poorly.

Bradley is trying to build a team that can win the cup. If you can't see that he has a vision, stay home. His team won't win it this year, but eventually it will compete for one. If you were looking for him to win MLS cup in the first 10 minutes of the first game of his first season, then yes, you had no reason to come to the game because you were guaranteeing yourself disappointment.

This is a team that's building towards the future. If you don't want to be along for the early part of that ride, fine, but you can't call yourself a fan. Fans are there for good and bad games, not just when he feels "respected" enough by the organization to attend, or when he is guaranteed a Real Madrid level product to watch.

Might be a year or two or three from now, but when/if we do win a cup, I have a feeling you will be right here talking down your keyboard at the fans who have been to less games than you about your undying and long lasting support for the team, and thanking the team for hiring this coach.

If you want to be upset that they played poorly, fine. Everyone has that right. I was upset they played poorly. But I understand that's part of the process to get better. Look at the Knicks and Rangers, two teams with all sorts of experienced "division 1" talent, both going nowhere. Would you rather be them? We are a team with a ton of new players that is learning to play together. It might suck for the first few games, but you have to give them a chance before you kill them.

I brought 3 friends to the game and spent a lot of money to do so. I was hoping they would play better. But they played 50% better than last week in the scrimmage, and hopefully they will continue to improve next week.

If any Metro "FAN" wants to cash in their chips now, go ahead. I won't miss you.

 

Well said, Jamison....

 

Let me adjust the bad soccer comment: I should have said "occasional" bad soccer is better than no soccer. I still stand behind everything else I said, and I would like to agree with alot of other points made in this thread.

I know it's frustrating to watch your team not do well, but this year seems like it really might be different for you guys. You have a coach that not only cares, but has a clue, which is an immediate improvement from last year. Plus, as unpleaseant as last night was, it was only the first game. I felt sorry for Magee, even embarassed for him at times, but he's young and if he (or any of the other new guys) develop into something good, won't Bradley be hailed as a genuis? I am far from a Mathis supporter, but even I saw some flashes of the old Mathis (pre-WC, pre-head swelling); again an improvement over last year. Maybe you won't take the cup this year, but I'll bet by season end, you're a helluva lot closer than you ever were with OZ.

My point still stands, if you really care about the league overall, you need to support it. If you don't care, then don't support it; but also, don't come crying later when it's gone.

 

Sums up my opinion. I'm a DC fan, but I live in Indiana. If I want to go to a game, I have a two to three hour trip to Chicago or an eight hour trip to Columbus. I would happily pay to see a team that is rebuilding and has great potential (yet untapped) then my current state of affairs. Anyone who gives up on their team after one little game is not a fan. A fan sticks it through everything. This is when the Metros need you all the most. Yeah, the kids are not ready for the World Cup yet. But they never will be without playing against the best in the USA. Not until every club has a true reserve squad that is playing top talent week in and week out.

I was disappointed that Alecko didn't see any action last night for United. You should be happy that Bradley (a far more qualified judge of soccer talent then anyone on BS.com) has the belief in your draft picks to give them a shot and allow them to grow into top talent. Think about how old Magee is. How many pro games has he played in? HOw do you expect him to ever grow?

 

Metrogo,

Thank you for respectfully disagreeing with me. I understand your right (and that of Metrotard) to not purchase season tickets, and I understand your feelings of being taken for granted.

I got a letter from Metro something like two weeks after the end of last season saying that if I signed up for new season tickets I could get a parking pass. I thought it was schocking that they could ask us to blindly re-up on the back of what was a truly horrible season last year.

Since then I think the team has made great strides. While Nick is still giving us the 60-90 stadium jive (this will never end), we have a new and committed coach, a new coaching staff (I'll take Mo Johnson over Mr. "I forgot to put our best player on the roster" assistant from last year), new and younger players with potential and via the ESC and meeting with some MFO guys, I've seen some intent on behalf of the organization to right some of the past wrongs when it came to fan cooperation. The team, in the past, made it hard to follow them. They are, I think, making it better. It's not perfect, but IMHO it's better.

While I understand your trepidation about starting the new guys, you would have to start them eventually. I don't think the reserve team system in MLS is really anything other than a name for the practice squad; this isn't England. Nor do I see loaning a guy like Magee to the Roughriders a realistic option. He trained with the Fire last year. If we had Guevara, Magee is probably on the bench to start and comes in as a sub.

If you look at the roster, what changes could we have made?

14 Joe Addo
22 Kenny Arena
2 Ricardo Clark
17 Joey DiGiamarino
-- Eddie Gaven
4 Tim Glowienka
30 Paul Grafer
18 Tim Howard
5 Steve Jolley
11 Jacob LeBlanc
3 Chris Leitch
8 Mark Lisi M- Injured
7 Mike Magee
13 Clint Mathis
12 Jeff Matteo
6 Jeff Moore
9 Jaime Moreno
23 Eddie Pope
19 Tim Regan
16 Richie Williams
15 John Wolyniec
21 Craig Ziadie

So, we could have had Addo for Digi and Jeff Moore for Ricardo Clark. Other than that? I don't think Joe Addo makes a material difference to our defense which played pretty well for 89 minutes and was really the only part of the team to play consistently well. I think if Lisi was healthy he probably plays instead of Leblanc (who I will freely admit needs seasoning). And I saw more potential from Clark in 90 minutes than I did from Moore all last year.

I don't think playing those two would have secured a point for us either. I think you can blame Bradley for having his hunt for the right # 10 take longer than he had, as Guevara missed the home opener and we spent a lot of pre-season time checking out the likes of Rosas and others. I would, however, rather get the right guy in there and risk losing 1 game than play with the wrong guy all season and risk losing all of them. Bradley traded Andy Williams away because he was looking to do better at O-Mid. I think Guevara is better, and we'll see if Bradley is right.

Again, I can respect your displeasure for the way the team played. I can respect your desire to not have the team take you for granted, and to not purchase season tickets on that basis. I do not, however, understand calling this game a "horror", nor do I see us as the ship adrift in the storm that you seem to. We will disagree on those points until circumstances change our minds.