Hoppe now Brough: Back at Middlesbrough FC

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  1. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Yeah, whatever his problems are they are more mental than skill set. He has size, decent pace for his size, and has shown both finishing ability and toughness. But there is something odd in his mind set that has set him back, and he has shown no inclination or ability to improve it. So I assume that’s just a part of himself that will relegate him to a lower tier career. (I know this sounds big, but my specific hunches about what that behind-the-scenes problem is are pure speculation, so I will keep them to myself.)
     
  2. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, his agent has been very good. His agent can't train and play the games for him.
     
  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Winner, winner!

    Chicken dinner!
     
  4. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
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    Chicken littles showed back up with the most recent news.

    I still believe in Hoppes abilities. Hope he finds a good situation next and if he has any personality issues I hope he’s maturing.
     
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  5. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Agents get players contracts at clubs.

    Players get PT at clubs.

    End of
     
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  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    It’s an odd phenomenon, but they’re here again, circling overhead.

    Hoppe produced enough at SJ to be selected to start the most important game(s) of the SJ season. He started his time there slowly, didn’t set the world on fire, scored some goals, and played well enough - in comparison with other SJ options - to start a few late-season games and increase his playing time.

    I would be surprised if there were zero interest from other MLS clubs, but the price (free?) would have to be right, presumably coupled with modest salary expectations. I’m not even sure that SJ wouldn’t take him for free, but first they had to get out from under.

    I would include Hoppe in the next U-23 gathering, btw, but that’s a separate conversation.
     
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  7. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I don't think anybody really questions his skill (though I do wonder if a big issue is where teams view his best position and where he views his best position), but at some point when a player has had 4 teams since leaving Schalke and had not played 10 games for any of those teams questions have to be asked.
     
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  8. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. His agent did his job well, which is to get the player the best possible deal as directed by the player. It isn’t an agent’s job to tell a player that he isn’t good enough for a particular team or league.
     
  9. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    I have no idea what Hoppe’s personality type is. I am 100% sure it’s no stranger than folks consistently making an effort to run him down.
     
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  10. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    Well ... regardless of his personality type, I hope persistence is in there, because he's not a compelling professional soccer player right now.
     
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  11. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I am a fan. I am not running him down. I just think he has made certain choices that don’t maximize his potential performance.
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    His xG per 90 was 7 times higher than Cade Cowell's.

    I wonder if SJ would have been more interested in him were it not for his $725,000 salary.

    That's not a huge hit in MLS anymore, but it starts getting hard to build a team if you have two guys playing roughly the same position for a combined $1.4 million.
     
  13. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One side of the coin says he hasn't caught on, anywhere.

    Other side of the coin says he outproduced a B/C Gold Cup NT player and recent A team callup, on the same club team.

    I think he needs a 2nd tier but tactical league. Mid table Belgium.
     
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  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Belgian 2nd division sounds like a good place for Hoppe. Where ever he goes he's going to have to accept a serious pay cut. I can't find info on salaries in the Belgian 2nd division, as per your example, but in the 1st the average appears to be around $300k. I imagine the average in the second might be half of that, or less. Anywhere he goes he's likely to be make a small fraction of his current wages.
     
  15. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    A bit of an update/clarification:

    “Hoppe is back on Teesside after his loan deal with MLS side San Jose Earthquakes came to an end, and was at Elland Road at the weekend watching Boro’s 3-2 defeat to Leeds United.

    While the 22-year-old’s loan agreement with San Jose contained a clause that could have led to a permanent transfer, the option has not been triggered and he has returned to England.

    The decision not to enact the clause was a mutual one, with Hoppe keen to prove himself with Boro after struggling to make an impression in the immediate aftermath of his move from Real Mallorca in the summer of 2022.

    Player registration rules mean that although his loan in the US has officially come to an end, he cannot play for Middlesbrough until the transfer window reopens at the start of next month.”
     
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  16. GalaxyBowl

    GalaxyBowl Member

    Aug 21, 2020
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    Hoppe's high EFL Championship salary does seem like a detriment to him finding a solid place to get consistent starting minutes. If his salary was half of what it is, he could probably have a long line of clubs waiting for him in the Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, etc. I'm not sure Boro will keep wanting to foot chunks of his wages to loan him to smaller clubs.
     
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  17. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
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    Levski Sofia
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    United States
    The Jupiler.

    I was referring more to it being a 2nd tier Euro league, just outside the top 5-7, but still a decent level and fairly tactical.
     
  18. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Anywhere he goes, he needs to choose the name of his next club carefully. In Belgium:

    Hoppe Beerschot has a nice ring to it.
     
  19. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Belgium is a shout. Career prospects can change pretty quickly in football.

    Haji Wright looked about dead after his failed stints in the 2. bundesliga and Eredivisie.
     
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  20. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At this stage, I think he might find it difficult to get a Jupiler League club to bring him in, even on lowered wages. That's why I thought Belgium 2nd division sounded about right. But, hey, maybe Eupen or some other lower table club will be the next to give him a shot. I just think he's gotten a lot of shots and produced very little.
     
  21. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Guess it depends on how you define "gotten a lot of shots."

    Since leaving Schalke, he's played just about 11 full league matches in total, and had 3 goals and 2 assists.

    His per 90 production is pretty good, but he hasn't ever established himself at these teams for reasons that we can basically only speculate about.
     
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  22. mace

    mace Member+

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    Jun 5, 2004
    USA
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    So Hoppe thought he was too good for SJ or he just liked the fat salary in the 1st League better? It seems like he wasn’t good enough for SJ since the decision to leave SH was mutual.

    Or, how do you guys read this? Is this all about salary or did Hoppe underperform for SJ? Or both?
     
  23. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, he hasn't played much since Schalke--but he's certainly gotten lots of chances to show his stuff and earn time. Mallorca, Middlesbrough, Hibs, San Jose. He just hasn't earned much time at any stop. The first two have/had plenty of skin in the game with him. San Jose had a buy clause, which they wouldn't have had unless they thought he might be a positive addition to the team (and they also didn't make the playoffs, so if they thought he could help them get over the line they would have played him more). I don't remember the details on the Hibs loan, so maybe that club didn't really have much of a reason to play him, but the other 3 definitely did. And they still didn't play him. At least 3 of those stops can be considered "good shots". He's not going to get many more until and unless he fixes whatever is going on that convinces coaches, repeatedly, to not use him.
     
  24. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Yea, it was mutual guys. Totally mutual!"
     
  25. kumuyc

    kumuyc Member

    Nov 7, 2016
    Wasn't Hoppe's agent called "worst agent in history" or something like that in this exact thread back in 2021? How time has changed.
     
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