Homegrown status: Where we are one year after liberalization of MLS homegrown rule.

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by carnifex2005, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Interesting article at Canadian Soccer News about the amount of minutes the homegrown.

    I suspect Rollins is right about the need for the Canadian teams to build through the academies more than the US based squads.
     
  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I'm with him except for his discussion of the Galaxy's academy. The Galaxy won the development academy at the U15/16 level last season, won the MLS Sum Cup..............and their current DA team is absolutely stacked. And if the author bothers to look at that squad, he'll see a ton of hispanic names. The fact that the only player they've signed as a homegrown happens to be Scottish-American doesn't really mean anything. It's early days. McBean's a US U17 player, and a highly thought of prospect. The Gals will be signing plenty of hispanic homegrowns in the coming years. Hell, they could sign Jose Villarreal, Raul Mendiola, Javan Torre, Sebastian Velasquez, Mario Rodriguez, etc. a year from now if they aren't poached by Euro or Mexican clubs.
     
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  3. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    He also credits Tristain Bowen to Chivas when he came up through the Galaxy academy before being traded. Chivas might have two Hispanic last names, but they don't have a single homegrown player with actual playing time.
     
  4. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this was the most important/provocative part of the article. I suspect that in time, teams that don't develop 4-5 of their top 18-20 players will have a hard time competing in MLS over the course of any season that they don't have good luck avoiding injuries.
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Though from a Colorado perspective we're still living off the last developmental structure, when it was just the reserve league. Cummings, Kimura, and Wynne (gotten by trading LaBrocca) were products of that development path.

    They'll need to adapt to the new path very soon though or as you said, risk getting left behind. We've got Armstrong and Janniere already, and one kid in our youth programs who is playing for the U.S. youth squads that I expect will be signed to a full contract soon.
     
  7. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    I don't necessarily expect to see a tight correlation between the clubs that spend on youth development and those that spend in other areas. I think youth development expenditure may boil down more to a calculation about how much talent is in a given area vs how much competition there is for it.
     
  8. USFootiefan1980

    LAFC
    United States
    Aug 19, 2005
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jorge Flores, Chris Cortez, Gerson Mayen, Bryan de la Fuente, all spent time in the Chivas USA youth set-up, and all (except de la Fuente) have seen some pretty good time and the field.

    Cesar Zamora was also in the squad for a time, but didn't see much, if any, playing time before being waived.
     
  9. MARCH_

    MARCH_ Member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You should first look at what MLS considers to be a homegrown player signing first. "All players must reside in a team's "Home Territory" for at least one year prior to being added to the team's Home Grown Player List." Chivas USA was 1 of the first clubs in MLS to sign a Academy player to a developmental contract. All players that Chivas USA have signed as Homegrown players have meet MLS's rule. DC united was the first team to sign a homegrown player to actually make an impact on the 1st team.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet Josh Janniere is considered a home-grown player for Colorado even though the Rapids traded for him from Toronto last offseason. Once a home-grown player always a home-grown player, regardless of team?
     
  11. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I know "homegrown" has a definition but it does look funny that 3 names near the top of that list are from Honduras, Tanzania and Mexico! ;)

    One of the impressive things our new Dutch management did this year was show real confidence and commitment to some young Canucks. By the end of the season, Stinson and Morgan were looking like real pros and solid contributors. The rest were a bit less consistent but showed glimpses.......Lindsay (further down the list) missed the entire season after breaking through last year......result of an unfortunate snowmobile accident in the offseason!
     
  12. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I was quoting the zero directly from the link.
     
  13. USFootiefan1980

    LAFC
    United States
    Aug 19, 2005
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then whoever wrote the article did little to no fact-checking.
     
  14. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Thought it best to resurrect this thread then start a new one.

    This month, Kellyn Acosta became the seventh teenage HGP to start this season.

    I know that is not a perfect measurement but I think it's an indicator of success.

    So far the following players have started an MLS game as a teenager

    DeAndre Yedlin
    Jack McBean
    Carlos Salcedo
    Diego Fagundez
    Shane O'Neill
    Jose Villareal
    Kellyn Acosta

    Has HGP turned a corner?
     
  15. Jewelz510

    Jewelz510 Member+

    Feb 19, 2011
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not in San Jose.
     
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  16. ielag

    ielag Member+

    Jul 20, 2010
    Also, Marky Delgado
     
  17. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your list pretty much answers your question: most--if not all--of those players have earned their spot on the roster, and some are right on the verge of becoming stars (as far as MLS goes.)
     
  18. USFootiefan1980

    LAFC
    United States
    Aug 19, 2005
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's got a bright future, but makes too many rookie mistakes for my taste.
     
  19. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, for Columbus, in terms of MLS games only:

    1. Chad Barson (RB/LB): MP 915, GP 12, GS 10, G 0, A 0 A. Starting RB with Glauber out & Williams at CB.
    2. Ben Speas (LM): MP 791, GP 14, GS 9, G 1, A 1. Starter early, now in the 18.
    3. Wil Trapp (DM): MP 540, GP 6, GS 6, G 0, A 1. Has taken over as the starting DM.
    4. Matt Lampson (GK): MP 360, GP 4, GS 4, G 0, A 0. Starting GK with Gruenebaum injured.
    5. Kyle Hyland (D) zero
    6. Aaron Horton (F/M): On loan = zero


    And although they aren't technically homegrown players, the following Crew players are from/raised in central Ohio:

    7. Josh Williams (D) (Copley/Akron): MP 1980, GP 22, GS 22, G 3, A 0
    8. Danny O'Rourke (M/D) (Worthington/Columbus): MP 1508, GP 19, GS 17, G 0, A 0
    9. Konrad Warzycha (M) (OSU/coaches son in Columbus since late 90s): MP 206, GP 10, GS 2, G 0, A 0

    Pretty good contributions this year from the Ohio boys.
     
  20. Kodak Jackson

    Kodak Jackson Member

    Feb 7, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zardes started.
     
  21. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is the article, in case people are interested:
    http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?2368
     

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