Home field advantage in the U.S. Open Cup

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by Liverpool Football C, Sep 2, 2010.

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How should home field advantage be determined in the U.S. Open Cup?

  1. With the current bid process. It's fine the way it is.

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  2. It's important to balance out HFA to all teams in the USA.

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  3. It should be based on USOC record. HFA should be earned on the pitch.

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  1. Liverpool Football C

    Jul 30, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    I don't like the current format where money buys home field advantage. The Sounders are in their 2nd straight final in some part because they are able to buy HFA throughout the tournament. I think we should brainstorm to figure out a better way to determine HFA. Here's my idea: HFA shall be given to the team who most recently had a USOC road game. If both teams were on the road the previous round (or after an equal amount of regressive home games), then it shall be given to the team with the longer recent or current streak of USOC road games. If both teams are equal in that, then it should be given to the team with the higher amount of all-time USOC road games. If still tied, then the team with the higher percentage of USOC road games. If still tied, then to the team with the better head-to-head USOC record. If still tied, then most Open Cups, Final appearances, Semifinal appearances, etc. If everything is tied after that, then have a coin flip. ___________ I believe it is better to seek to balance out HFA for all teams involved, it spreads the game more throughout the country. Thoughts and opinions will be appreciated.
     
  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I voted for balance because I objected to the other two options, but in reality I think a random draw or coin flip should be how its handled.

    Of course,the Rapids haven't played a home USOC game in over 3 years, so what do I know. ;)
     
  3. Liverpool Football C

    Jul 30, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Well, while a random draw or coin flip will provide more balance than the bidding process, a system specifically designed to provide balance, will provide more balance. _ _ _ _ _ Here's hoping that the tournament organisers will find a way to make it a rarity that teams host consecutive USOC games. Thank you for your opinion. I owe you rep.
     
  4. Cornchops

    Cornchops New Member

    Jan 10, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last year Seattle played two away games, including the final. I think they played six all together, including play-ins.

    This year they played one away game. Four games total, this year.

    Most teams don't care about the USOC. That's why they don't bid anything. Only DCU and Seattle try for home games. Other MLS teams could care less. Lower division teams benefit from this, since hosting an MLS team is a big draw for them, but not vice versa.
     
  5. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Easy there, trigger. There are more teams that care about the Open Cup than DC and Seattle. True, there are others that don't put much effort into it, but Chicago, Dallas, Columbus, KC and others have put a lot of effort to win it.

    I know for me, the Open Cup has provided some of the best drama I've seen in professional soccer in the US.
     
  6. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    Well I for one knows that RBNY/Metro always took the Open Cup Serious, but sadly they just haven't gotten out of the 3rd round in the last several years. 2006 was the last time they won a third round match at Wilmington Hammerheads.

    Still I would agree with some to form of a blind draw. If the US Open Cup committiee would extend the amount of MLS sides entering round three and add round 4 for a true Round of 16, then they should make two large pots. One pot for Round 2 Winners, one pot for Round 3 clubs ready to play.

    One ball per pot will determine the match ups and then find out who will host later.
     
  7. WaltonFire

    WaltonFire Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given the schedule congestion, is it worth considering the possibility of playing home-and-home instead of one game rounds?
     
  8. SteamPunkr

    SteamPunkr New Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    HF should go to the team that did better in the previous years tournament. That would give at least a little more incentive for teams to try harder to win.
     
  9. WaltonFire

    WaltonFire Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except, that since there is a correlation between HFA and winning percentage, giving HF to teams that already win kind of has the tendency to become a feedback loop.
     
  10. dtid

    dtid Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    What are we trying to do with the USOC?

    I say we're trying to build the sport.

    So it should be high on fairness, and focuses on how to spread the wealth.

    I suggest three phases.

    I - weed out all but the best at each level - USASA, NPSL, PDL, USL Pro, NASL, MLS

    II - from the final 32 (8 MLS, 8 NASL, 8 USL Pro, 8 amateur) to the Round of 16, lower seed hosts, ranking them 1-16 in East/West geographical divisions.

    III - QF, SF and F - televise, televise, televise. Where it is lower division v upper division on the QF, lower division team hosts. Otherwise, random draw. SF and F, random draw.
     
  11. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    I say give home field advantage to whoever has gone longest without hosting a usoc game. If both teams last hosted on same day, then give it to whoever's last usoc home game ended earlier that day.

    Or give it to the southernmost team on odd years, northernmost in even years. Why not? It's still better than the bid process. This isn't e-bay.
     
  12. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway

    Quoting this for lulz.
     
  13. Mikeyratt

    Mikeyratt Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    Richmond, Va
    the first name out of the hat should get the OPTION to host. They can always refuse it.
     
  14. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    Until what I saw this year, yes this team took the Open Cup seriously. I was disappointed on what Backe did for the Quarterfinals. He sited too much travel and that was an excuse. I didn't like what I saw and hopefully his priorities will change for 2012.

    He needs to understand that just because there are alot of matches in July for RBNY doesn't mean you have to easily give up on a chance to win a trophy. It's too easy to quote someone and throw it in their face, I can see its very hard for you to not bother to ask me how I felt when he did this.

    I was disgusted by it and I hope this will change.
     
  15. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I also like how his de-emphasizing the Open Cup has put his team in very good league form.;)
     
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  16. IKickAndIm50

    IKickAndIm50 Member

    Apr 13, 2009
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    It taints the trophy and competition when the home field advantage goes only to a few richer/motivated teams.
     
  17. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm really looking forward to next year, when IKickAndIm50 will be covering all travel expenses for the new, random-draw Open Cup.
     
  18. IKickAndIm50

    IKickAndIm50 Member

    Apr 13, 2009
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    LOL. Well, it's also important we get blind draws for Gold Cup also. In general, we need to stop being so scared of honest competition. But i guess it takes time for the general american public to be more interested in and financially supportive of the sport for that to happen. Fair enough, but even if it isnt practical to change the Open Cup system right away, it DOES still taint it. How can it not?
     

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