Holy MLSnet.com Batman! Detailed Referee Stats

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by AndyMead, Apr 3, 2003.

  1. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
  2. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Cool. I wonder how this will play on the Ref board. Or for that matter, with our more paranoid fans: "see! I told you Kevin Terry always hosed us!!!"
     
  3. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good.

    But where's the blown offsides call?
    In favor of defense?
    In favor of the offense?

    Where's the "exact same foul called 5 minutes ago but not called this time?"

    Or the "would have been a yellow card but he got a yellow 10 minutes ago?"
     
  4. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now, now, Northside, let's give the boys a chance. The season hasn't even started yet.
     
  5. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just playing.
     
  6. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's back! :confused: They need some under construction designation.
     
  9. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA

    As a DC fan, I'd lie to see the disallowed penalty kicks stat for Noel Kenny.

    Any idea if he'll be back this year?
     
  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I would expect so. Despite the two bad ratings that ended his season, he is routinely held in high regard by the players and coaches (if not the fans).
     
  11. RushOnze

    RushOnze New Member

    May 16, 2001
    Colorado
    Got to say that this is good, referees are part of the game and having a little more info just makes for more intelligent fans.
     
  12. Furious George

    Furious George New Member

    Feb 19, 2001
    to the right
    Is this a result of the new stat company or is this something MLS started doing on thier own?

    I have a feeling its the former. And as a stat lover, I'm excited about things to come.
     
  13. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two stats of interest to LA fans right off the bat:

    Kevin Terry called twice as many PK's in LAG games than in the games of any other team. Does not break those down as to PK's for v. against LA, but that sure is an odd stat. 11 PK's in LAG games v. 5 in the next highest - Coloumbus.

    Secondly, LAG, with an outstanding won-loss record last year, was under .500 when Kevin Terry was the ref. Hmmmmmm.
     
  14. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA

    Not this fan. That could be becasue when ref's do a good job, people don't notice them. When they do a bad job, people do. I just find it interesting that I actually know that guy by name.
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    An oldie but goodie: :D
    [​IMG]
     
  16. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The chart only lists the stats for games involving Columbus and/or LA, the two teams in this game. It doesn't show you how many PKs he called in Kansas City or MetroStars games.

    The chart doesn't show LA's record in Kevin Terry games last year. These are all-time statistics.
     
  17. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you never miss an opportunity, do you? ;)


    btw, enjoyed the last issue, though by my count, going by the mls preview articles, we'll have 9 first place teams, and one team that doesn't exist at all (the rapids).
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    It's called parity.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There may well be a simple explanation. If Terry is considered a top ref, they're gonna put him on the biggest games. So he'll get the Gals when they're playing another good team. That plus a lil' random luck could explain it all.

    Barry Jacobs used to write a comprehensive preview magazine about ACC basketball. UNC and Duke (this was back when UNC was good, now) always used to have worse records with the best refs. But those guys weren't calling many games against Clemson.
     
  20. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, Noah - I misunderstood the PK stat.

    As to the "all time" comment, LAG has an all-time winning percentage so the "Hmmm" still goes. IF LA is under .500 when Terry is on the pitch, LA must have a remarkable all-time record when anyone else is doing the games.

    BTW: I don't suggest this proves Terry is biased against LAG. (Although I do not think he is a very good ref and don't understand his high rating). It is just fun to see what inferences (even unfair ones) can be drawn from the raw numbers.
     
  21. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair comment.

    I guess I can see rewarding a highly rated ref by awarding him playoff or cup games as a bonus. However, I would think that a rotation should be in order for the regular season. No team should get the advantage or disadvantage of seeing any one ref more than any other.
     
  22. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA



    In this case it may not be a bonus, it may be MLS not wanting refs blowing games on national tv.
     
  23. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hah. You should do the writing for the Rapids.

    That's 2 years in a row Denver's been blanked.

    If you go by word count though - the Burn are champs. :)

    If you go by hot air generated and self-congratulations, it looks like LA wins.
     
  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    you obviously skipped pages 14-16.

    Actually 70+ inches of snow affected the Rapids preview.
     

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