Holland vs. Netherlands

Discussion in 'History' started by Skippysasquirrel, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. Lusitania14

    Lusitania14 Member

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Here in Portugal most people say Holanda, although there are some that say Países Baixos.

    It only confuses things further because of the term we use for the language and nationality. For instance,

    Ele é Holandês - He is Dutch

    A lingua holandesa - The Dutch language

    It's only natural that people confuse the two...

    Anyway, years ago I met this Dutch guy at a conference here in Lisbon and he explained to me the difference so I already knew.

    What confuses me is why you say "países" baixos, i.é., low "countries" instead of "pais" baixo or low "country". Why the plural?
     
  2. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i think it was a term that included parts of belgium. maybe it has something to do with them previously being referred to collectively as "the low countries" and when netherlands became its own country, they kept the terminology. or maybe it's like the "united states" in that the plural at one point made more sense than it does now.
     
  3. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    in all the languages i'm acquainted with (except dutch) the official word for the country is plural.

    and the united states part is quite a good guess, since the first names for the independent country there all had verenigde (united) in them.
     
  4. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    In Dutch it's Nederland - which is singular.
     
  5. Lusitania14

    Lusitania14 Member

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I was in Netherlands a month ago. I stayed in Rotterdam, but also visited Amsterdam and Den Haag.

    I have no idea if these cities belong to the Holland provinces or not.

    I enjoyed Rotterdam a lot. Amsterdam was a bit too confusing.
     
  6. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think all those cities are in "Holland."
     
  7. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    heb ik al gezegd.
     
  8. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Yeah, I reread your post - doh.
     
  9. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    mokum is in north holland. the other two are behind the iron curtain in south holland.
     
  10. Celtic & Napule

    Celtic & Napule New Member

    Celtic & Napule
    Nigeria
    Jan 5, 2019
    IRA
    Neither, Belgium and 'holland' is 1 country, Belgium, The Belgae Celts.
     
  11. They should as Holland only consists (out of twelve) of two provinces, North and South Holland.
     
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  12. Because the official name refers to the old days of the republic, a confederation of the 7 provinces the Republic of the 7 United Netherlands, now it's the Kingdom of the Netherlands or in Dutch Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden. Nobody uses that mouthfull so it is shortened to Nederland.
     
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  13. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Which IIRC contain the bulk of the population and most of the Randstad save Utrecht and Flevoland provinces.

    Or, not all of the Netherlands is Holland - all of Holland is the Netherlands, though.
     
  14. Yup, yup and yup:D
     
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  15. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana St. Louis City

    St. Louis City SC
    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I figure it would be odd if someone called my country Dakota. So, The Netherlands it is.
     
  16. Rep_Le_Rouge

    Rep_Le_Rouge Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jul 11, 2021
    Grew up near Holland, Michigan with a lot of Dutch-Americans. I don't think I heard Netherlands till high school.
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "The low countries" in English includes the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.
     
  18. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    According to CIA World Factbook, the official name is Kingdom of the Netherlands.
     
  19. Yup.
    In Dutch:
    Koninkrijk der Nederlanden

    To differentiate with the situation before Belgium split off in 1830, the name before 1830 is Verenigd Koninkrijk der Nederlanden (the United Kingdom of the Netherlands).
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I used to live in South Holland in England. The former swamp was drained by Dutch engineers for farming use in the 18th century. I was also born and raised in a town largely designed by Dutch archtitects from where William of Orange launched his invasion of Ireland.
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