Holes to be filled for 2005

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by Soccer Doc, Nov 19, 2004.

  1. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK we have lost Rusty and Kamler.
    We may or may not get Adin Brown back because of his Hx of concussions.
    JMM is out of contract and not be able to stay healthy for past 4-5 seasons.
    Llamosa is out of contract and coming back from a major knee injury.
    Most likely we will waive Howie

    Right now we will have a lot of holes, a number of players who may retire and a roster that will be expanded from 24-28 players.

    What now???
     
  2. Ultra Peanut

    Ultra Peanut New Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    Achewood
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    That Llamosa got pulled back once Rusty went out would suggest there's something at work there, i.e. possible return.
     
  3. Sean Donahue

    Sean Donahue Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Massachusetts
    Protecting Llamosa makes me think he is in their plans. But why did they protect Franchino over Pierce? From what Wynalda was saying it sounds like Franchino may be the Revs version of Nomar (although much less valuable in a trade) in 2005 if he doesn't get over the fact he was left unprotected. We now need someone for left midfield and Franchino/Leonard is not the answer.
     
  4. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right now what we have in a 4-4-2

    TnT, Noonan
    Dempsey, Pepe, Jpseph, Ralston (Noonan, Dempsey and Pepe rotating)
    Leonard, John, Llamosa, Heaps
    Reis

    Not bad as a starting point. We will have Cap and many different kinds of roster slots with which to upgrade for speed, skill and depth.
     
  5. Coach_Barry

    Coach_Barry Member

    Aug 18, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Defense...Defense...Defense...oh and a left midfielder, too.

    Right Back - Heaps - The Jerry Lewis of MLS - extremely accident prone.

    Center Backs - Llamosa - Grandpa LL - probably smart but definitely slow
    and Avery John - kinda like Pierce only not - hard tackle is a good think outside of the box

    Left Back - Captain Nomar GI Joe Franchino - in order for the kung-fu grip to work you have to catch'em first.

    Left mid - Leonard - getting better and will need to
     
  6. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lots of negativity above---but then thats not new. I know we all have suffered through many years of poor seasons but losing Rusty isn't a HUGE problem. Lets remember that with the exceotion of Rusty we will be returning the starting eleven that did so well for us at the end of the season. Sure we need to make some upgrades but the 10 returning players know each other, SN's system and with some substantial Cap space and SI/TI slots open we can made some quality upgrades. We have the core of a good side for 2005. MUCH will depend, not on what is left on the roster but on how SN et al fills the oprn roster slots.
     
  7. ftruscot

    ftruscot Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    Franklin, MA
    If we had to field a team tomorrow for a competive game, I would be negative as well. However, that first game is 4-5 months away. I will wait until camp opens in February before I decide whether the sky is indeed falling.
     
  8. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the best defender coming out of the draft could possibly be Jack Stewart from Notre Dame.

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    Sign Llamosa back, but to a lower contract, the same with Moore. Moore had surgery to correct his knee and he looks to see if he has one more year left in it. Maybe the Revs could split his pay and give him a coaching gig.

    As for Franchino, I'd like to see an upgrade in that position but if not then so be it. Many of you are writing him off as the next Nomar but he did say this in the Herald;
    Doesn't seem like too much of a problem.

    Leonard could be our next left sided midfielder as he got a lot of playing time at that position during the "stretch run."

    So the Revs need younger defenders, a super sub forward, and a left mid.
     
  9. MrSangster

    MrSangster Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Duxbury,MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) Restructure down JMM & Carlos contracts.
    2) Point Howey in the direction of Newcastle. Start swimming.
    3) Can Adin play next year? If no, make list of backup GK's.
    4) Scout NCAA tourney for defenders.
    5) Search Europe for defenders for January acquisition.
    6) Send Leonard to Europe for off season training as a left mid.
     
  10. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your instructions may be in no particular order but I think these two have to be at the top of the list. Get a defender from Europe (or somewhere else, just as long as he is experienced) to play central defense with what we hope a healthy Llamosa and then get defenders in the draft to play the outsides (at least one). Revs have the 5th pick overall.
     
  11. Beast_Ed

    Beast_Ed Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    Boston MetroWest
    I like this line up:

    Twellman, Noonan
    Dempsey, Pepe, Joseph, Ralston
    Leonard, John, Llamosa, Heaps
    Reis

    one damn good sub: Joe-Max

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    Now with a mix of new players, vets and rookies ... hopefully we'll see a bright 2005.

    - Beastie
     
  12. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Well, let's see if we can get any MLS-ready players in the draft. Also, are we sure Joe-Max will be around next year? Any possiblity of an allocation this offseason?

    Finally, we need help in the back. Would it be worth moving, say, Noonan to get that help?
     
  13. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  14. BigFrank

    BigFrank New Member

    Apr 3, 1999
    Dublin, Ireland
    It is quite simple, really.

    Repeat after me (you too, Doc):

    DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE.

    Those are the holes.

    Let's see if they can fill them.
     
  15. pwykes

    pwykes Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Auburn, MA
    It's also the same starting team that stunk up the first part of the season when Pierce was injured. It was only after Pierce returned that the defense started to settle down and Ralston could go back to his natural position.

    I also think people are far too optimistic about Llamosa. In 2003, he was slowing down considerably and had to resort to some fairly desperate cardable fouls. With a season missed and a year older, I'm not thrilled at all with the prospect of him in the starting eleven.

    I also think people are underestimating how difficult it's going to be for the Rev's to find decent replacements in the off-season. That's of course assuming they don't wait until the season's half way through again before signing their key foreign player(s).

    Already people are looking at this past season with rose colored glasses. I just don't see this line-up as doing any better than struggling to stay out of last place like they did this year. I hope I'm wrong but I'm very skeptical that we will see any improvement next season.
     
  16. Fiero20

    Fiero20 Member

    Aug 3, 2002
    Gillette Stadium
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    and dispose a guy who has been in the league for only two years and has 10+ goals in each season?

    i think not. unless the defender we get for him is damn good.
     
  17. Ross

    Ross Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Straight outta Qtown
    You could say this for any year the Revs have been in existence, couldn't you? Seems to me at every "Meet the Coach" the coach always says he's looking for someone to complete a good back line.

    Are there any teams that don't say this?

    Is the problem that there just aren't enough good, smart defenders in the pool?
     
  18. Soc4Us

    Soc4Us Member

    Jun 11, 2004
    Dunstable, MA
    I think the team needs defense and speed. If you want that through a trade, you have to hope you find a sucker who makes a mistake, or you trade something of value to get something of value.

    I just think Twellman and Noonan are too similar to each other. Since Twellman can chase down more balls than Noonan, I'd be inclined to keep him.

    I'd be happy to have them both playing for the Revs in '05, but if the opportunity for significantly upgrading the weak areas is there, I'd be ok with giving up Noonan.
     
  19. Anti-BigFrank

    Anti-BigFrank New Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    It pains me to agree with you BigFrank :eek: .....but I do. If Heaps and Franchino start on the outside we are in some serious trouble. I would estimate that 30% of all goals against in 2004 were a result of Heaps being caught out of position, or ball watching. Another 20 % were due to lack of speed in the back, and another 10% were due to lack of defensive leadership.

    The bunkerball of 2004 was a result of a midfield forced to help a very weak back line. Fix that and our midfielders can do their job and Twellman will explode.

    (No, I'm NOT going to change my name to BigFrank2, and yes, I still think you're a moron).
     
  20. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't consider 2004 a bunkerball year. A lot of our play came from the midfield. It's only when Franchino is in there that the Revs play bunkerball (since that's all he knows how to do). The outside backs is our main weakness. Luckily there isn't many good crossers in MLS to continously kill us but the forwards who would rather come in from the outside then down the middle (like the Moreno goal in the C.F.) will continue to burn us and we'll pay. Revs are 2 defenders short of the leagues' best defense, or 1 defender short of one of the league's best defense.

    I have to believe that Nicol is satisfied with his midfield and forwards (he may want one younger faster forward) and is now looking to perfect his defense. If you recall last year's draft, after Marshall there was no real defender that stood out in the season. We all criticized Nicol because he didn't draft a defender but would you rather have him draft someone who couldn't get the job done or Andy Dorman.
     
  21. jw

    jw Member

    Feb 18, 1999
    Massachusetts
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty much in agreement with several posters on this one: Defense, a left mid, and some speed, please. Worries me to have, uh, "Jerry Lewis", and "Treebeard," (hello Carlos), together. Avery too in the back - some nice tackling, but also many times he had to be rescued. No one is there to do it now. Jay can go forward, has scored, uses vertical leap well. I'm guessing, Nicol and Company saw more versitility in Jay than Rusty, who couldn't go forward, was not a threat over the halfway line, and was not good with the ball at his feet, (But, man, he was our best marker, ever). Joey's still here because of his dead ball left foot. Plus, Marshall, (although still suspect in the back), showed some promising runs and outstanding crosses towards the end - that was nice to see.

    Thank JMM for his service to the Revs, we ALL loved his tenacity throughout his career - but it's over. He's been injured EVERY year for the past, what, 5 years, or so? Shut it down Joe-Max, and start building that roster for your Oklahoma expansion. (Plus, you'll need those legs to keep up with your son!!)

    Yea, this is a nice little nucleus, but, that lack of speed at key positions is now a year older.


    (Note to self: Time to review draft positions and who's out there.)
     
  22. Rodan

    Rodan New Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Providence
    Yes, but unfortunately those defenders are named Ricardo Carvalho and Fabio Cannavaro.
     
  23. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    The only player below the line (and you can include Joey in the group) that I wouldn't consider below average is possibly John, and that's if you ignore the fact that he killed us in the playoffs.
     
  24. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    I was thinking the same thing.

    Here's the problem - The best way to use the draft is to take the best player available regardless of position. We will never fix our defense with draft picks. Suppose, for example, we can draft the American version of Sean Wright-Phillips, Corey Ashe. He may need a year before he is a regular starter, but IMO may be an unbelievable left mid some day. We shouldn't pass him up for a merely good college defender (since supposedly there are almost no outstanding college defenders coming out this year.)

    The question is, can we get three starting defenders through allocations and discoveries before March? Could we "discover" Guy Melamed?

    Ba-da-dump
     
  25. TMurray

    TMurray New Member

    Oct 5, 1999
    I don't think anyone has mentioned Dorman as a starter for next year but he is a definite possibility. He became the first choice sub towards the end of the year and I thought he did particularly well. Steve seems to favor him and he brings a lot of speed and aggressivness to the offense.
     

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