Hobbies and Other Non-Political Assorted Interests

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  1. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Cooler climate varieties do well in the Northeast / Middle Atlantic area, but there hasn't been widespread sophistication in planting and winemaking. That being said, New York has an established reputation for Rieslings and ice wines from the Finger Lakes area, Long Island for Chardonnays. Virginia is beginning to produce some quality stuff though I haven't tried any yet.
     
  2. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    I thought it was about 2002 that all 50 States( including Alaska) had verified wineries/vineyards?
     
  3. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Yup, wine is produced in all 50 states. High quality wine in about 5 or 6.
     
  4. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
    Washington DC
    You’ll see mostly Viognier, Cabernet Franc, and Petit Verdot in Virginia.
     
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  5. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Three of my favorites. My winery does Viognier, I think its great (try it with rich shellfish like lobster) but its still relatively under-appreciated in the general market. Petit Verdot is a bit too much for a lot of people but done right its very good. I'll take Cab Franc over Cab Sauvignon every day.
     
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  6. soccershaggy

    soccershaggy Member+

    May 18, 2003
    Baltimore
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    There are several wineries local to me in MD that are very good. As in I like how they taste. I have no idea if a sommelier would agree with me.
     
  7. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    The 2025-26 wine thread
     
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  8. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
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    May 28, 2018
    Yup this got derailed, need to move the wine discussion to random thoughts.
     
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  9. bayred

    bayred Member+

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    May 28, 2018
    #109 bayred, Nov 8, 2025
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    I'm a somm, and by all means don't be guided by what you think a somm would like. Good wine is what you like, doesn't make a rat's a*s difference if I like it or not. I tell this to all my customers.
     
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  10. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
    Washington DC
    Shifting threads:

    Wife and friends also prefer the Cab Frank. If you don’t mind, which winery?

    That’s very cool. We watched the Somm series during Covid and have great respect. In fact, we watched a dozen or so alcohol based docs during that time. Apparently we Asians really really like scotch. (Guilty)
     
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  11. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
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    For the wine lovers this is a great book.

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  12. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    I've worked with Perissos Vineyard and Winery for about 10 years, we're committed to using only Texas fruit and making everything on site. It's about 55 miles west of Austin in the Texas Hill Country AVA.

    The study and tasting regimen to prepare for the certifications is pretty intense; I got COVID in 2021 and lost my sense of smell for a while - that would have been a career ender. As you know the Somm series is about students preparing for the Master Sommelier exam - this is beyond-the-pale self abuse imho.
     
  13. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Definitely a great book, a very funny and entertaining look inside the NYC somm scene.
     
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  14. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
    Washington DC
    Awesome tasting room.
     
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  15. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
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    Cool!

    I don't know shit about wine except what I like -- dry whites and Pinot Noir, because of Sideways. Literally. And it's fine for me. So nice to know I'm doing it right!
     
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  16. SamScouse

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    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    the snobbery around wine is absolutely ridiculous.

    On the nose, one is immediately assaulted—nay, seduced—by the insolent aroma of hand-foraged Himalayan gooseberries, mingling with the faintest sigh of Venetian leather-bound manuscripts. The mid-palate reveals a scandalous flirtation between smug tannins and the ghost of a 19th-century Bordeaux harvest, while the finish lingers longer than a trust fund at a liberal arts college.

    Best served at precisely 16.3°C, in a glass blown by a blind artisan from Murano who weeps for every stem. Pairs poorly with anything pedestrian, but sings when accompanied by existential dread and a rare, ethically ambiguous cheese.
     
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  17. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Nope, not for me. The heavier reds (Shiraz Malbec many of the Languedocs) and I’m rather poor on whites. Viognier and some of the Burgundy whites at a push, but not a huge fan of them.

    Fell away from Merlot because of Sideways and when I rediscovered it years later I realized that I had been a complete asshole (not for the first time in my life, to the surprise of no-one here) for believing a fictional character played by Paul Giamatti. :whistling:
     
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  18. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    #118 usscouse, Nov 9, 2025
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    We celebrated opening a fresh box of Penis Greecio this weekend. The last box had been the the wine cooler (outdoor fridge) for, check calendar, 2 years and developed a nice mold that added nicely to the bookay.
    Brazilian beaver cheese makes a wonderful pair.
     
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  19. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    Most Brazilian beavers don’t surrender their cheese, so you did well there.
     
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  20. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
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    May 28, 2018
    The funniest part of Sideways is, after all of Miles's rants about hating Merlot (and its true the movie significantly depressed Merlot sales in the U.S.) one of the last scenes has Miles drinking his prize wine possession out of a styrofoam cup in a fast food restaurant - a 1980's vintage of Chateau Cheval Blanc. Which happens to be one of the best recognized Merlot - Cab Franc blends.
     
  21. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Absolutely. Just got back from some tasting in Santa Barbara County and the wine notes were enough to make me wretch.This is an actual example - Bombshell of honey and toast sing through the nose down to the chest, straight to the heart. So grandiose yet delicately nuanced – a soft creaminess rides atop the sensory flood. Caramel drizzled pear peaks out over the honeysuckle. In the mouth, the wine coats but remains high toned with freshness. Long after the finish, more and more buttery coats reappear. FFS. It's a dry white wine that tastes like pear, green apple and some honey. Wine's actually pretty good but these notes killed it for me.

    FWIW I tell my clients I only speak English, not "Somm".
     
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  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    That movie is brilliant. Miles is so full of shit. What a mess, what a character. Him not even being nominated for that performance is so ridiculous.
     
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  23. Menace2Sobriety

    Menace2Sobriety Member+

    Aug 12, 2004
    Washington DC
    Bottle Shock is one of my favorite wine related movies. As I’ve mentioned, I don’t actually enjoy wine and my wife doesn’t rate NoVa wine at all, but it is a really nice day out.
     
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  24. bayred

    bayred Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    May 28, 2018
    Bottle Shock is a good one, about a key historical marker in American wine history - the 1976 Judgment of Paris. Two California wines beat their French counterparts in an expert blind tasting for the first time. Put California on the global wine map.
     
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  25. hubbabubba

    hubbabubba Moderator
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    May 17, 2002
    Ann Arbor, MI
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    United States
    Was down in Chile about a month ago and hosts took me out for dinner, introduced me to Carmenere - a medium bodied red that for many years was misidentified as merlot. Turns out it was a popular French red at one point, but then the grape variety was thought to be lost due to aphids imported from the US. Kind of like a merlot, but with a bit more fruit and spice. Turns out the genetic testing that confirmed that it was indeed a carmenere variety was performed in part by my colleague’s best friend (we’re all plant biologists…). They ended up having to go to museum samples in France and isolate DNA to confirm that the mis-identified merlot was in fact the long missing carmenere.
     
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