http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/wed/sports/news_1s22p-clubs.html The San Diego CIF has made a decision that will force a lot of high school age athletes to make a decision of their own. It sounds like, at least in San Diego, that the coaches have at least learned to live with the way things have been, but the adminstrators felt something had to be done. Are there other areas where this has been happened, and what were the results?
In Iowa, club soccer basically shuts down for high school students during high school season. With high school practice and or games 5 or 6 days a week, there's not a lot of room for club soccer. Previously there were problems with club regional finals conflicting with the girls state HS tournament, but that has been resolved by the HS girls finishing earlier.
Here, if you play recrational or club soccer and high school soccer, the club and rec teams will not allow to play during the high school season, and I believe that the high school team won't allow to play club or rec during the season. I think anyways, I just know I've never been allowed to do both at the same time.
i thought all of CIF did this.. hmm.. in NorCal.. well SJ it's already like this.. we have club (actual league not tournaments) from september till around nov. 15 or so every year.. then hs from nov.-february then back to club for spring ball/state cup/tournaments.. works out pretty well except when club ( i play about 30 minutes away ) starts @ 5 and I have HS from 3:30-5 for conditioning and preseason training..hehe.. sucks
here, our high school season is in the fall while the club seasons are in the spring. but if you play basketball or something for your highschool in the winter and you club team is starting training the Athletic director will make you pick your club team or your high school sportsteam, atleast they did that to me. for the most part, club and high school are pretty easy going here and you can play both Tanya
Follow-Up Article This was the lead article in the sports section of this morning’s Union-Tribune. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/fri/sports/news_1s7p-brand.html A side bar to the article had info on the meeting of the Calfornia CIF’s Federated Council, including a link www.cifsds.org
yeah thats how the did the seasons in Florida too...there would only be 1 weekend during the HS season that we would need to go to State Cup.
Valid points on both sides: New Jersey, for example, addressed the issue in the early '80s and chose to peacefully coexist rather than try to wrestle the club programs for control. "We determined we can't regulate what people do once they leave school," said Jim Roper, associate director of the New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association. "Although I support what they're saying 1,000 percent, you can't legislate that." Bob Ottilie, a San Diego attorney who has fought the CIF and won, doesn't agree. "They aren't imposing any restrictions. They're not keeping a kid from participating," Ottilie said. "The imposition of this condition is not restrictive – every kid can quit playing club and take advantage of high school. "They're trying to create a competitive balance. They don't want pros; they want amateur athletes. They're the ones spending the money to offer these sports and they can make the rules." ***************** But this point is being argued from extreme points of view - there are coaches that are "lining ther" pockets" at the expense of kids dreams, yes. But some kids want to have lives outside of high school andif they can handle the extra workload, they should.
here, when the high school season is in place (fall for boys, spring for girls) the league doesnt have a division for high school aged teams simply because its nearly impossible to play in both.
2/25/03 Union-Tribune This was part of a much larger section on high school sports... *** Public gets chance to air opinions on club issue by Steve Brand More than 130 parents, coaches, athletes and administrators showed up last night to air their feelings about a new rule that would prohibit high school athletes from practicing with their club team during the season of their school sport. Most of the 30 individuals who asked to speak were opposed to the rule – some considerably stronger than others. Five individuals spoke in favor of the rule scheduled to take effect July 1. "This was good," CIF-San Diego Section commissioner Dennis Ackerman said after the meeting at the County Office of Education. "Eight years ago I suggested better working relations between the CIF and club sports and I was laughed at in a meeting of the State Federated Council. "It's clear we need more communication – both ways." The three-hour meeting was strictly for public comment. No action was scheduled to be taken. In a 55-minute presentation, assistant commissioner Bill McLaughlin offered insight both into how the Board of Managers came to make the decision Jan. 21 and the basic philosophy of the organization that governs more than 100 high schools. McLaughlin pointed out that the CIF was there for all students, no matter their level of proficiency, and because of abuses by certain clubs – including illegal Sunday practices and more than three-hour practices per day – a level playing field was not possible. "This rule is a reasonable rule based on what the CIF is all about," said McLaughlin. The most compelling speakers were high school students, mostly swimmers, who participate on year-round club teams yet also value their high school experience. Their coaches, along with those from gymnastics and soccer, expressed the most concern over the rule blanketing all sports when the perceived problems may have applied to only a few. For example, since one of the main issues is Sunday practice by renegade club teams formed by the high school strictly to circumvent the old rule prohibiting practice on that day, it was proposed that clubs be required to join a national governing body to prove their legitimacy. For those wishing to change the rule, McLaughlin outlined the necessary steps leading up to the possibility of the Board of Managers reversing its decision. Ackerman encouraged athletes and parents to continue making their feelings known, first directly to their coaches and principals, and at future Coordinating Council (March 26) and Board of Managers (April 29) meetings.
hmm. Can't say that I remember that well, its been awhile. Club soccer was way more competitive than highschool. We played (club) indoor through the winter and outdoor in the summer. Highschool had a fairly short season end of April to early June. It was never an issue. Our highschool coaches were clueless about soccer, but without them we wouldn't have had a team so really it could have been worse. But then this was back in the dark ages (1986-1991).