You people really need to learn how to read, where did I say the red cards weren't deserved? If they had 'bribed' the refs like you questioned in the other post, they wouldn't have received those red cards. You can't even find one link from a foreign media source that says Spain wasn't robbed from the win. You thought this ref was biased? Oh my God, you people are becoming funnier & funnier by the post. You do realise you might as well be saying 'it's not allowed to kick another player, but since not all players are keeping to this rule, we should just allow it'. You football expert you. That penalty should have been taken over, period. I would, if I actually saw another goalie jump 'one giant leap for mankind' in front of where he should have been like this guy did. Oh, but it was.
Later in your post you say 'just look at his reaction', I'd say look at the play again, because what you wrote in what I quoted wouldn't even be possible even if we were living on Fantasy Island (de plane, de plane!) I guess that means we'll never understand then
And it gets blown more and more out of proportion. When the match was played, I heard that Tommasi shot a split-second after the whistle. Two weeks later, I heard that Tommasi shot a couple seconds later, after everyone had stopped playing. Now I'm hearing that Tommasi turned, dribbled a whole lot, and put the ball in an empty net. A year from now, I'll probably be hearing about how Tommasi disregarded the whistle, juggled the ball for a full minute, and then shot into an empty net.
in fact, it's tough to find a foreign media that says Spain was "robbed." Most of these that were skeptical either said the refs made poor decisions or that Korea could have benefitted from the ref's unintended calls, but nevertheless not "robbed." "stolen" or "robbed" are generally regarded as being bribed and for someone who agrees that the refs weren't bribed, you sure hang on to this issue like a mad man. oh great. Now that a Euro team won, it's all of a sudden well deserved and the refs were of a fine quality? You obviously didn't watch some of the games did you? How can you possibly say Mr.Meier wasn't being over-generous to the Germans? There were at least 5 wrong offside calls given to Korea's strikers let alone all those questionable "smaller" fouls. You question the refereeing of the refs at Korea-Italy and Korea-Spain and now you say the Korea-Germany ref was fair? That's it. You now don't have any point. Ahn's pk should have been taken over, period. Oh, but it wasn't.
it's because you're not willing to watch the play again. Your argument that Tommasi would have scored 100% is what's on the Fantasy Island. I bet if Vieri got a foul call at the end of Italy game, you would have also argued that Vieri would have scored whereas in fact he missed an outrageous shot RIGHT IN FRONT of the goal without anybody infront of him. Yep, I bet you would have argued that it was a 200% goal. because you're never willing to understand at the first place. Even if Korea wins the damn cup you'll say it was because of the refs picking on every little disallowed goals of Korea's opponents and ignoring all the disallowed goals of Korea.
SPLIT-SECOND? what a fiction! do you have the program Kazaa? I can give you the entire overtime of Korea-Italy game in DIVX file. It's basically in DVD quality and you'll see what really happened.
The article you claim was in favor of South Korea already states that 2 legitimate goals of Spain were taken away...that in itself already qualifies as 'being robbed'. I guess this would be 'normal' in South Korea. Funny I was thinking the same thing about you lot...meh. Why is it that people like you always play the 'euro' card? Do you realise Europeans don't give a damn if a team from their continent that isn't their own country wins games, and that they actually like it when the underdog wins? This has got nothing to do with Germany winning, who I'd rather see lose, but with the referee actually doing his job correctly. Which if was done sooner, South Korea would have stopped being in the WC 2 rounds before they eventually got kicked out. Wait wait, so you're agreeing with me that the penalty against Spain should have been taken again? Grasshopper, there's hope for you yet. No really, it was. You're just in denial.
You trying to make people believe that he wouldn't have scored, is so unbelievable it could be on Jerry Springer.....when it stopped being funny. Yes, like anybody else on this planet. Would you have said that he would have missed it? Of course not, because missing chances like these isn't normal (as in, chances that Tomassi would have scored is more than likely...bet your life likely) Even if the refs made it so every game of South Korea started with 2-0 for the Koreans (basically the case in the Spain game) you'd still be here trying to convince people it was 'deserved'.
See how far in front of the line the South Korean goalie is before he even got the ball? See how close to the line the Italian goalie is when he allready punched the ball out of the goal? (a distance he could have easily jumped to after the ball got kicked, and since you people can't be considered non-biased AT ALL judging by this thread: which probably is the case)
being taken away without any malice compared to being "robbed" is two different things. "stolen" or "robbed" indicates that the refs did it intentionally just to throw out Spain or Italy. Which wasn't the case at all. "Two mistakes that happened to take away a possible goal" could be the more appropriate phrase. Only God knows those was going to be a goal or not even when the defenders and the goalie were WILLING to mark. you really love to throw away hypothetical stuff around like as if it's true huh? AGAIN, you have made a hypothesis as if it was true. Here's my hypothesis: Had S.Korea met Germany earlier, we would have easily beaten them. None of our players would have been tired nor would we be losing our key players due to injuries (Which Totti,Vieri,Romero and Hierro all got away without a single red card just for that). Germany had an accumulated 6 more days of rest than S.Korea did. But had they met earlier, such questionable scheduling wouldn't have hindered S.Korea's way. just as long as you agree that Buffon, Casillas and a lotta other should have been taken away. You're the one in denial.
the fact that you think every chance equals a 100% goal is what is unbelievable like your beloved Jerry Springer. You seem to love that show. Anybody that loves to watche that show is.. but I would say he WOULD HAVE SCORED 100% like what you're saying with all other goal chances of Korea's oppnents. You can't just say it was BOUND to be a goal ignoring the drama of football. even if Korea won every game 500-0 with a domination of 100%-0% you would still say Korea "robbed" and "stole" others' goals.
Yawn! This whine is not aging well. Korean_Football, was it really necessary to dig this thread out of the mothballs? It has nothing to do with Dutch football.
Again, I guess 'stolen/robbed' as used in football means something different in South Korea. Spain was robbed. The goals were made, saying that if the ref had done his job South Korea wouldn't have come so far is not hypothetical at all. Wow. First no goal keeper jumped from his line. Then suddenly Buffon jumped from his line. And now Casillas as well? The fact that you think he wouldn't have scored is more likely than that he would is what's unbelievable. Hey, finally you see the light. (probably a 'wouldn't' missing somewhere there) God, when even pictures clearly show you're full of it, you still play the 'denial game'© ? Denial Game© South Korea I don't have to explain the speed of the ball thing do I? That the South Korean goalie could have never been that far in front of the line if he jumped AFTER the ball was kicked, seeing as the ball is just over half it's way to the goal in the first place. That there's no indication at all that Buffon was in front of the line before the ball was kicked, seeing as when he already saved the ball (ergo this is way after the ball already got kicked) he's still pretty much at his line.
then I guess according to your definition of being "robbed," S.Korea was robbed. after the foul, that is. don't know about you but I've been saying that Buffon and Casillas have done so too all along. the fact that you believe all the non-Korean chances equals a goal or the fact that all the shots taken after a foul is a goal is what's unbelievable. the pictures DOES show that Buffon jumped ahead too. I"ve never denied that Lee jumped upfront before it was kicked. But Joaquin should be taking the blame too. He tried to fool Lee with a sloppy pause and eventually burnt himself. You should swing your leg and just stop right before you make an impact on your ball. That makes the goalie move thinking that the kicker would kick. he jumped before it was kicked. He just happened to jump less than Lee.