Oh my God....it could be a prophecy It's funny because it's true! I feel sorry for PSV, but not at all for Guusje. Yet again, PSV won't be making the 2nd round of the Champion's League.
Guusje receives ANOTHER death threat.....maybe he'll get the message this time what? too harsh? Don't mind me, just read another interview with him talking about how Spain "should look into the mirror" for their loss against the Koreans.....almost makes me want to send him a 3rd one. For the people who can read Dutch, here's another amusing article from a sports writer/magazine owner/tv celebrity's crusade against the overrated (censored) that is Hiddink.
Playing against Arsenal who are already through Playing against Arsenal's B Team Playing against 10 men after 30 minutes And PSV still can't win, not because they didn't have the quality in the team to win today...no no, because of Hiddink's tactical incompetence of playing it safe and not attack when you know...you know..the chance of Auxerre scoring at home against Borussia who are allready through is more than huge. (oh my God, the Dutch commentator hit the nail on the head) Yes, you suck Hiddink. Congratulations. Time to 'take a look in the mirror'.
PSV is currently at top of the Dutch first division, he's struggling domestically. PSV was placed in a very tough group with two champions from two of the four biggest leagues in Europe. You cannot expect the man to work miracles constrantly. Croatia had two goals from Italy disallowed, Korea had a goal against Portugal disallowed. Jesus, these things happen, why won't you just let go? Even if all the goals scored against Korea which were disallowed were undone - we still would have exited the last 16 with a very respectable 2-1 extra-time loss to Italy.
Which 'miracles' did the man do before? Oh yeah, pretending his team actually deserved to go that far in the World Cup when the entire world knows it was because of the refs. The man should get an Oscar. You think it was a good idea to play for the 0, even when you're playing against a B team with only 10 men and knowing the other team you're going against for the UEFA Cup spot only needs 1 goal to go over you? The guy put in 1 more attacker in the last 10 minutes of the game when they were already in a numerical advantage after 30 minutes of the match...oh yeah, that would be around the time Auxerre scored and when PSV finally started attacking. This... ..was said by a Dutch man by the way. It doesn't take a Spaniard to see the obvious.
I think Hiddink's CV speaks for itself. I cannot believe that you are judging someone from a single match. So what did Korea deserve in the World Cup? Italy's disallowed goal was basically Tomassi running past a stationary Korean defence who really couldn't care less what he did and scoring, when he knew perfectly well it wouldn't count. Spain was robbed, yes, but don't give me crap about refs helping Korea all the way to the semi-finals. Nobody mentions the Korea's goal being disallowed, or the fact that Vieri elbowed a Korean player which broke bones and the fact that Lee could have scored the goal against Germany which might have sent us to the finals had Ballack not tripped him.
Having fun Sukwah? You've been defending the Korean team and the country in general ever since you've joined the board. People are never going to get over the fact that Korea bribed the refs, so stop trying to defend your team, its pointless.
I made this thread way before this week's game, he made more bad decisions during his run in the Champion's League than just in this match. I saw the goal, the goalkeeper couldn't have done a thing to stop it even if he supposedly did 'nothing' to try to get the ball. No no, me saying "Korea deserved to go to the semi-finals" would be crap. The smelly kind. Because the greater injustice is the one that sticks in people's minds. Believe.
Oscar, I think the overall successes of Hiddink career far outweigh his mistakes in the Champions' League. Either you don't like him, or you believe that people deserve to get death threats because their team don't do well in European competitions. Maybe Houllier should get one too! I'm pretty sure that the one on one goal Lee saved against Italy was much harder. The defence was all over the place and Lee had very little time to prepare himself. How about Vieri's horrible miss? Tomassi had a defender by his side and still had some way to go. What makes you so sure that he would have hit the target? Of course Korea didn't deserve to beat Spain, but don't make it sound as if that single match reflects Korea's overall great performance in the World Cup. Greater injustices? More people were upset about Ballack being banned for the finals than Lee being tripped over when he had a great chance to score. Does that mean Ballack getting the yellow card was the greater injustice? Shenhua, it ticks me off that people don't mind goals being disallowed for any other team in the World Cup and use the disallowed goals against Korea as some kind of proof that Korea would be useless without the help of referees. Why shouldn't I defend Korea? Everyone already had their say on this issue quite some time ago. I saw tons of abuse hurled at Korean posters. I wonder why clinging onto this issue in order to bash Korea isn't pointless while defending against it is.
Not to flog a dead horse, but can someone explain to me why Korea was awarded the PK against the US? I am shocked that most US fans don't bring this up. A very lame call that could of cost the US dearly...I've seen the replay loads of times (of course I had to wait until I came home from Korea, since the Korean TV would never show replays after the game of what led up to the PK, in fact, they wouldn't show the stopped penalty either, only their own goals, over and over and freaking over! You'd think they won every game 5-0!) and Hong was pulling Agooses jersey and fell to the gournd! It was a phantom penaly, and the ball had not even been kicked yet! Don't take this as Korea bashing since I met alot of great people in Korea, I just think they benifited from some very questionable decisions, more than any other team. Period.
What the Hell kind of good do the past successes of Hiddink do PSV? Do you think they're going "oh, we didn't make it to the 2nd round of the Champion's League, and we didn't even manage to get a UEFA Cup spot thanx only to ourselves...but hey, Hiddink won some prizes in his past..yay us!" It's the here and now that matters, not what happened years (and years) ago. And Guusje got a death threat because that person didn't want him to do good at PSV, not that I'd agree with that person's way of getting the message across. Italia thing: .Watch the replay of the dissallowed goal, the only reason one might think the goalie did nothing to stop the ball, was because he could do nothing the way the Italian played the ball away from him. He had a clear shot at the goal afterwards, of course he would have made it. .I never got this one, why in blue blazes does it matter that Vieri missed a chance to score? Should we go around dissallowing good goals all over the world because players miss their chances? Maybe because of the manner Korea made it to that round they didn't have as much sympathy for the Koreans? By the way, sometimes in football the other team uses a foul to keep the other team from scoring..when that happens, the referee uses his whistle. Not even did he use his whistle, he gave the German a card..why are you talking like this was an 'injustice'? It would have been that if he hadn't whistled for the foul. p.s. .This was a 'bash Guusje' thread by the way, you made it into a Korea thread. .I think the refs were incompetent, not bought by the Koreans, although I wouldn't rule it out.
Stinkey Tourner, I don't think that the US deserved anything more than a draw against Korea. As for the penalty, I'm not sure but I believe someone was pulled down. With or without the penalty, Korea got itself plenty of chances to win the game. In my opinion, the US was lucky aginst Korea just as Germany was lucky to win against the US. Korea really didn't need any help, why would we pay the refs against a team we have a better record against? Oscar, well as I said, PSV have been at the top of the Dutch first division for quite some time now. He's hardly struggling there. PSV were placed in a very tough group in the Champion's League, they were the under-dogs whatever the situation. I felt insulted when you were saying Hiddink's success with Korea was because of the refs. All of it? I don't think so. The whistle went way before Tomassi ran past the goalkeeper to score. What I'm saying is the goalkeeper easily could have got into position instead of letting him through, while the defender could have kept up the pressure. If the whistle didn't go, Tomassi still would have had some way to go (shrug off the defender, beat the keeper). He might have done it, but what makes it a certainty? The Vieri miss was mentioned because anything can happen, including Tomassi being beaten in a one on one situation with the keeper. Also, I didn't intend to turn this into a Korea thread. You can go back to bashing Guus, though I don't really see the reason why. There's plenty of coaches/managers worse than him.
Oscar: Get over it you loser, the WC has been finished for four months. I see that you are a Real Madrid fan, PSV are (were) not in Real's group and they won't even meet, so what are you going on about, just support your own damn team. Stinkey Turner: US were lucky to score when Korea had 10 men. Ask Arena, he admitted being glad just to come away with the one point.
I still fail to see what that has to do with a very questionable call given to Sk to give them a PK. The ball wasn't even in play yet. ...and, no, I'm not one who believes in the bribery accusations. I just think SK were just lucky to be on the positive side of some very controversial calls. Loads of matches are decided on such calls...enjoy it.
Stinkey Tourner, go to this link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/worldc.../south_korea_v_usa/newsid_2018000/2018410.stm It seems Agoos pulled down Hwang. He was booked for this challenge. Again, I stress that apart from the QF match against Spain, I don't really think we needed the referee's help all that much.
Actually they've been removed from the top by Ajax a few times already, and PSV's objective this year as it was last year was to make it to the 2nd round of Champion's League...at least last year with Gerrits they still managed to clinge an UEFA Cup spot after failing...something which they could have done this year if not because of..you know who. Korea would have been eliminated 2 rounds earlier if not for the refs, only Koreans would say othwerwise. I guess it's a success making it to the 2nd round for South Korea. ¿ It's more of a certainty than the Korean defense being able to stop him, like I said: find a replay and look at it. Yay! Wow, gotta wonder why you're here then seeing as PSV isn't your club either...or are you one of those people that change affiliation every year or so when players and/or managers change from clubs? Practice what you preach. You 'winner' you
If you don't think the refs were paid off, then how come Brian Hall looked as if he did a competent job of officiating, hmmm?
extra-sour grapes... Hmm.. Usually, I wouldn't bother wasting time on threads like this but I couldn't help notice that it's already been almost half a year since the World Cup! It's mindboggling that some people are such losers, whiners, jealous, racists, crybabies...etc that they will continue to spout such bull as conspiracy, ref bribery and on and on... Even more hillarious is how they selectively ignore all the numerous teams that benefitted from disallowed goals and biased referree decisions in this World Cup but insist that that's why Korea was so successful. This is for the most part indicative of racism and utter arrogance that have existed in the world of football. In fact, this kind of superiority complex is much bigger than the world of football. It's a disease behind the European/American history of colonialism and slavery. (And don't ******************in' tell me that this is no place for politics. Football, or "soccer" for yanks, is very political. Nationalist fervor behind events like the World Cup has so much political/historical/economical meaning behind them. The fact that football and sports in general is used to divert our attention from more serious issues is political. The reality that the social conditionings and the consumer culture employed by the powers-that-be that make majority of sports fans into mindless bonehead conformist jocks is very political. Oh, and just because something is fun and is enjoyable doesn't mean it can't be political.) And it's rather unfortunate since even though I love this sport, I probably wouldn't want to be associated with some of souls behind the voices represented in threads like this. For the record, if you actually watch these games in question, you will probably see poor referree decisions (as you'll find in most games for that matter) but one thing is clear. There were no "disallowed goals" from Italy or Spain: http://www.korean-football.com/worldcup/whose.html (For those of you that actually watched South Korea's matches at WC2002 like Italy v Korea for example, were any of you annoyed that even when Totti pulled a clear "Rivaldo" in the match (which should have been his second yellow card easily) complete with slow-motion replay, that no one ever seemed to mention it afterwards or they just chose to ignore it?)
Oscar How's Arjen Robben doing at PSV btw? I don't get to watch the Eredivisie anymore (thanks for nothing Fox SportsWorld) and I'm curious as he was considered a high potential player when at he was at Groningen. I imagine he's doing ok as he was just selected for the Jong Oranje but any further info you could provided would be helpful. Thanks!
Robben is doing fantastic at PSV, I'd be surprised to still see him play in Eindhoven in the coming years if he keeps up playing like he's now. You should become a comedian...you = funny.