Hiddink may become NT to Australia

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  1. taegukgi2004

    taegukgi2004 New Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    Hiddink Rumored to be the Australian National Soccer Team Coach

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    JULY 09, 2005 03:06
    by Jong-Koo Yang (yjongk@donga.com)


    PSV Eindhoven Coach Guus Hiddink (59), the everlasting “Hero” of Korean soccer fans, visits Korea after two years.

    Hiddink comes to Korea to take part in a friendly match with the Korea University OB(Old Boy) team, held as part of an event to celebrate the university’s centenary and the 2005 Peace Cup Korea (July 15 to July 24).

    The date for the friendly game with Korea University has not yet to be settled, due to flight scheduling, but the match is very likely to be held on July 13 at the Seoul World Cup Stadium. PSV Eindhoven, led by Hiddink, will have its opening match against Seongnam Ilhwa on July 15, and qualifying rounds against Once Caldas (Colombia) on July 17 and Olympique Lyon (France) on July 20.

    Meanwhile, some raise a likelihood that Hiddink might become the coach of the Australian national soccer team. On July 8, Dutch soccer magazine Voetbal International reported: “Hiddink recently met with officials from the Australian Football Association (AFA) in the United Kingdom. The Australian Football Association has neither confirmed nor denied the report, raising more doubts.” Hiddink made it clear in his contract with Eindhoven that he could “lead a third qualifier in the face of the 2006 World Cup Games in Germany,” heightening the possibility of moving to the Australian team.

    After suffering three defeats in a row in Group A of the Confederation Cup in Germany, which recently came to a close, the Australian Football Association is seeking a new coach of their national team to replace Frank Farina.


    wtf is this... I will be so dissapointed if he were to be aussie's new NT manager
     
  2. Kimsuyun

    Kimsuyun New Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    i dont even think Australia will make it to the Wc
     
  3. Elliad

    Elliad Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    well, why not? I don't think Hiddink could do much about Australia's actual qualification to the WC, but once the qualification is confirmed he may be able to do something about it. But it does seem rather stupidly-timed though, especially if Australia fails to qualify.
     
  4. hanul21

    hanul21 Member+

    Dec 26, 2004
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    in qualifying for 2010, Australia will be playing in AFC and if Guus Hiddink was coaching for Australia and Australia and Korea were in the same group, thatd be HORRIBLE! after having experience with Korea, and i think there will be some players left from the 2002 squad, he probably has the whole korean system figured out! i hope he coaches for us again for 2010
     
  5. PersianSaam14

    PersianSaam14 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    May 27, 2005
    Dubai
    That would be pretty bad, he knows so much about asian footie from coaching korea that he could make australia way more powerful than all of us. Wouldn't mind him becoming iran's coach, especially if the korean assistant coach in wc 2002 afshin ghotbi is in iran's coaching staff...
     
  6. taegukgi2004

    taegukgi2004 New Member

    Jan 10, 2005
    well,


    it seem like he will become the new NT manager of australia...man, this is the worst news i can bear to hear..please tell me this isnot real.....
     
  7. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    why is it a bad news?
     
  8. taegukgi2004

    taegukgi2004 New Member

    Jan 10, 2005

    in so many ways....most important reason is that he will become one of newly joined Australian national team that will likely play korean in WCQ....plus, he is one of us and i just can't imagine him on the bench on the opposite side of the playing field....
     
  9. Kamran

    Kamran Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Melbourne - AUS
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    correct me if I'm wrong, but reading numerous posts from ppl here I'm under the impression that the Korean NT is built on the system introduced by Hiddink and basically he knows Korean soccer and players inside out... so if he becomes OZ’s coach his easiest target out of the big 4 would be Korea.... I think this is the conclusion ppl are getting at.... I can't say I agree though :cool:
     
  10. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    my guess is that even if Hiddink takes the Australia job and qualifies for the World Cup, he'll be gone after the World Cup.

    and he is not thinking about being a full time coach for Australia either. he wants to be a part time head coach while coaching PSV at the same time.

    so I don't see him staying in Australia after the World Cup.
     
  11. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    well, Hiddink still has connections with us. he took Park and Lee to PSV when he left, and he also tried to help out Hwang Sun-hong by offering him a assistant coach job at Eindhoven. he signed as our technical advisor and 'had' that job for awhile. he is the one who recommended Humberto Coelho as our coach in 2003. however, he didn't renew his contract with KFA, and no longer has that job. so he doesn't have any official connection with KFA, but he does little things to help Korean soccer.

    but his connection with Korea is not as close as people make it out to be. our current NT is not at all being built on the system introduced by Hiddink although he knows Korean soccer very well. we still use that 3-4-3 formation Hiddink used during the World Cup but Bonfrere's 3-4-3 is a lot different from Hiddink's 3-4-3.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Hiddink taking the Australia job personally.
     
  12. Hanjin

    Hanjin Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Gold Coast, QLD
    Club:
    Queensland Roar
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Man this is tough :( as a Korean being born in Australia id love to see Hiddink coach for Australia but on other hand itd be crazy too see Australia take on South Korea with Hiddink on the sideline for Australia.
     
  13. Hanjin

    Hanjin Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Gold Coast, QLD
    Club:
    Queensland Roar
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  14. Hanjin

    Hanjin Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Gold Coast, QLD
    Club:
    Queensland Roar
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    ^ i mean they've held talks (stupid yellow card cant edit my posts) but yeah looks like Hiddink might be on his way to Australia.
     
  15. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    Correct me if I am wrong, but this article seems to suggest that this is a short-term coaching position and Australia's only aim is to secure qualification for WC2006, and probably to win a game there. Believe me Hiddink loves coaching club teams more than he likes coaching national teams during non-WC years. He would much rather be coaching a big English or Spanish team, or even PSV, than to be coaching a NT during the prolonged periods of WC qualifying matches.

    Having said this, he loves to coach big games and loves a challenge. So this is the perfect opportunity for him. He can add to his CV of having coached two teams to the semifinals.

    Australia has endured frustration after frustration of failing to qualify for a World Cup. This is partly due to the fact that their confederation doesn't have an automatic qualifying spot, and so have to play one of the third place teams from Asia and CONCACAF, and neither of these is easy, because they don't have regular opportunities to play quality opposition in Oceania. The only other team that isn't absolutely horrendous in Oceania is possibly New Zealand, but this is a team that would find it even more difficult to qualify.

    Professionally, Hiddink would probably also like to be coaching in the Premiership for the first time or Spain again. Maybe his sour comments about Park were partly due to envy? If he gets Australia into the World Cup, this alone would be nearly as impressive the other things on his CV.

    There is no need for Korea to be worried, unless they are drawn together in the same group as Australia in WC2006; that is, if Australia qualifies at all, because the possibility is rather remote.

    Australia believes that it has a better chance of securing one of the automatic berths from Asia rather than from Oceania, and this is why they wanted to join AFC - of course another reason was that it was much better business-wise to be playing in a league with the large economies.

    I felt that AFC should not have allowed Australia into AFC so easily, because Australia has a very poor record concerning indigenous peoples, and historically, white Australians have generally seen Asians as inferior. But of course, the AFC made the business choice as would any corporation.

    Maybe Australia will regret their decision, in WC2006, because Asian sides are not easy competition any more, and securing an automatic berth from Asia isn't a small task.
     
  16. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    I don't see how this clause is applicable in this case, as Australia is not a "third qualifier." The phrasing seems to imply an Asian country, because the third place team in each of the final AFC qualifying groups would have a chance at qualification under a playoff system. Perhaps this is a precondition the Koreans asked Hiddink while he was negotiating with PSV, in light of the possibility, however remote, that Korea would fail to earn one of the four automatic berths? It would be a little ironic if it would actually benefit the Aussies instead.

    Anyways, according to the following article, Australia thinks it would be easier to qualify from Asia than from Oceania:
    http://footballasia.com/en/news/index.asp?id=40037&sec=90&ssec=260&mth=6&yr=2005

    I suppose it would depend on how one looks at it. Is a single must-win
    game against a second-rung South American opponent more challenging than qualifying against the likes of Korea, Japan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia? Perhaps, but I think now the playing field has broadened a little with the resurgence of China, Bahrain, North Korea, and possibly the Vietnamese.
     
  17. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    This is the challenge lies on the road to WC2006 for the Aussies. Win against Solomon Islands, and the far bigger challenge of beating a South American wild-card. This is probably only a stop-gap, because they fired their current coach after the Confederations Cup, and they need someone with a proven track record to improve their chances in the qualification games ahead. I think that in light of the fact that his current PSV contract doesn't need to be nullified, and the fact that there would only be a maximum of four games, for Hiddink it would be worthwhile for the money and to boost his already impressive CV. He was disappointed after the last World Cup, because he didn't get offers from Spanish and English clubs, and I think he might see this as an opportunity to impress on the world stage again.
     
  18. K:thecore

    K:thecore Member+

    May 20, 2002
    Honolulu
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He is not one of us. He's Dutch. If anyone has a gripe about this it should be Holland.

    He was a great coach for us and did a lot of wonderful things no doubt, but Im not a Hiddink worshiper and this "Master" business is getting kind of...well....lame.
     
  19. Hanjin

    Hanjin Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Gold Coast, QLD
    Club:
    Queensland Roar
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    seriosuly i dont know where some of you guys are getting this bs Australians look down on Asians crap.
     
  20. Elliad

    Elliad Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    yeah, it's easy to generalise based on vague information and make mistakes. I've seen plenty of prejudice in various Korean websites where ppl easily fall into making assumptions that Australia is a white-only racist country.
     
  21. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    If you think Australia is a pluralist country, then you should explain why refugees are rounded up in conditions where none of us would want to keep our animals, in the middle of the desert, and often left there to die, under the pretext that their immigration status is being reviewed. And what about Australia's sordid history of forcibly "assimilating" the savage Aborigines, with the skin color as the basis for selection?

    I would be remiss not to include South Africa and Japan in such comparisons, but at least most Koreans wouldn't deny that the apartheid exists in these countries.

    What I take issue with is that Australia has traditionally seen itself more as part of the West culturally, politically, and in many other respects - and this was as much due to contempt for Asia as much as a sense of kinship with the West and the commonwealth. But now that Asia is prospering, they want inclusion so that they can profit from the boom. If you visit the Aussie football forums, you might notice that some even think inclusion in the AFC would be a stepping-stone into UEFA! So, they would rather incur larger expenses and more time in travel than having to stay in Asia. So, why should we include accept them, if they only want to use us and throw us away when expedient?
     
  22. Elliad

    Elliad Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    I dunno, maybe you could answer your own questions better if you actually lived in Australia, say for over 15 years or so. It's always so easy to assume when you don't really know about things in detail.

    There's no denying that problems exist, a major one being the refugee camp situation - but that's more to do with administrative reluctance and difficulties rather than racism. Austalia cannot stop those boat ppl from arriving; but at least the government doesn't force them to turn back at gun-point, unlike some of the other countries.

    The matter of the treatment of the Aborigines is also valid - say 30-40 years ago. It's like accusing the US of being an apatheid country for massaacring all those natives and then forcing them to live in reservation areas.

    Whatever transgressions have occurred, that's in the past. While Asia prospering in general may have had some sway, but it's prolly more to do with the fact that there are millions of Asians residing in Australia - in Sydney alone there are prolly about half are ethnics with origins in Asia.

    And those who are saying AFC is just a stepping stone to UEFA - that's just ludicrous and you should know better not to judge an entire population of fans based on a few stupid remarks of uninformed individuals. 'Nuff said, I hope.
     
  23. augietx

    augietx Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    TexAS
    I fu*king agree with you K:Core.

    Goddam* Koreans are too much into hero worship. Hiddink is a fine coach but that's it. He's no **********ing father figure, master this, or bul*********** that, just a damn coach.

    And we don't owe the Dutch sheit. We don't owe PSV sheit. If the Godda$n PSV fans don't want Koreans because of Park and Lee leaving then FUC$ 'em! Korean players shouldn't play in that piece of sheit country.

    It's only when there's mutual respect for what players and fans/coaches can do when true appreciation can occur. Yeah I have a debt of gratitude to Hiddink and all but if he wants to coach the damn Papa New Guinea team to the Oceania World cup then all the best to him and may he get his rockers off.

    And all you lame asss Korean fans who are paralyzed and shamed of what PArk and Lee are doing (i.e. proving their worth and moving on), etc. then go fuc$ yourselves and suck on more kimchee.
     
  24. Kamran

    Kamran Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Melbourne - AUS
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I think the racism accusation towards Australians is based on their old immigration policy of "NO ASIANS!".... and the fact is that generation is still around and some of them are still in administrative positions.... I don't think the wrong point of view towards Asians and racism is completely gone from Australian society (sad to say it is really growing in New Zealand… the big problem is that it’s not direct racism anymore it’s more of smile to their face and diss them behind their back!!).... so it's only normal to hear this sort of stuff from both sides!
     
  25. Hanjin

    Hanjin Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Gold Coast, QLD
    Club:
    Queensland Roar
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    All i have to say is as a Korean born in Australia im thankful for Australia providing me, my sister, relatives and my parents a job,house,freedom of speech,education and not being restricted cause of my family being of Asian decent but hey there is a select group of people that do discrimate against other races its the same with anywhere in the world there will always be ignorant minded people where ever you go.
     

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