Hey, Politics posters, How Relevant ARE you REALLY??

Sheikh Djabouti · Oct 9, 2003

I mean, come on, really.

As if anyone here, let alone anyone with any real political power, has ever changed their irrational political prejudices or their deeply buried unconscious political motivations that drive their beliefs just because they read something in the BiogSoccer Politics forum.

What difference do you really think your oh-so-rational arguments and facts make in this theatre of the all-powerful Id?

Roel · Oct 9, 2003

The Politics board is fun and very informative. The posters here get info from a variety of sources. Plus, it sharpens one's thinking on politics.

bojendyk · Oct 9, 2003

If only this section were as relevant as the main part of the boards, which Bruce Arena consults before he picks his starting 11, and which Garber consults as he's making particularly difficult decisions about where to expand. And none of us will forget how DC United canned Ray Hudson after following the expert advice on bigsoccer.com. If only people on the politics board had such influence.

In other words, it's all pretty silly, but it beats working. Don't be so sanctimonious.

Roel · Oct 9, 2003

By the way I voted for the pimple. Then again, I'm from California so that would be considered an improvement.

Sheikh Djabouti · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Roel
The Politics board is fun and very informative. The posters here get info from a variety of sources. Plus, it sharpens one's thinking on politics.
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Thank you for sharing that. It was very thoughtful and possibly even true.

It also, sadly, completely did not answer my question. Try again.

Malaga CF fan · Oct 9, 2003

This forum is just for fun, an opportunity to write on things that interest us, defend ideas, discover new ones (rarely), and see a different slice of life from whatever cubicle or office we happen to be writing from.

I don't think we really effect much change on the whole, but I admit that my own view of the world and politics has broadened by paying attention to the things going on here. And if we go out and participate in the political process, maybe using some of the information we have gleaned here, this forum just might rate as a pimple, just not a popable one.

GringoTex · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Malaga CF fan
This forum is just for fun, an opportunity to write on things that interest us, defend ideas, discover new ones (rarely), and see a different slice of life from whatever cubicle or office we happen to be writing from.

I don't think we really effect much change on the whole, but I admit that my own view of the world and politics has broadened by paying attention to the things going on here. And if we go out and participate in the political process, maybe using some of the information we have gleaned here, this forum just might rate as a pimple, just not a popable one.
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Nice answer.

Sheikh Djabouti · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by bojendyk
In other words, it's all pretty silly, but it beats working. Don't be so sanctimonious.
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By the milk from the breasts of the holy Fatima, my friend, sanctimoniousness is the oxygen of the Politics forum. The day people here stop being sanctimonious is the day the forum dies.

Thank you for your attempt at sarcasm, though. It was slightly amusing.

bojendyk · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
By the milk from the breasts of the holy Fatima, my friend, sanctimoniousness is the oxygen of the Politics forum. The day people here stop being sanctimonious is the day the forum dies.

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Good point.

riverplate · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
I mean, come on, really.

As if anyone here, let alone anyone with any real political power, has ever changed their irrational political prejudices or their deeply buried unconscious political motivations that drive their beliefs just because they read something in the BiogSoccer Politics forum.

What difference do you really think your oh-so-rational arguments and facts make in this theatre of the all-powerful Id?
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We come from a country where we can express opinions on anything, even if nobody "important" is listening. It's part of our nature and habit thanks to growing up here.

Can you say the same?

mannyfreshstunna · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Roel
The Politics board is fun and very informative. The posters here get info from a variety of sources. Plus, it sharpens one's thinking on politics.
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Ding.

Roel · Oct 9, 2003

Hey, MFT and I agree!

Attacking Minded · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
I mean, come on, really.

As if anyone here, let alone anyone with any real political power, has ever changed their irrational political prejudices or their deeply buried unconscious political motivations that drive their beliefs just because they read something in the BiogSoccer Politics forum.

What difference do you really think your oh-so-rational arguments and facts make in this theatre of the all-powerful Id?
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Well . . . . . I get to vote. Do you?

verybdog · Oct 9, 2003

This forum is good for the future politcians to sharpen their political instinct and skills.

Sheikh Djabouti · Oct 9, 2003

Speaking of sanctimoniousness...

Originally posted by Attacking Minded
Well . . . . . I get to vote. Do you?
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You're French? Really? Who knew?

GringoTex · Oct 9, 2003

Re: Speaking of sanctimoniousness...

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
You're French? Really? Who knew?
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I see you have no interest in addressing the sincere responses. What a surprise.

Dr Jay · Oct 9, 2003

That has to be the best sock puppet name ever.

ElJefe · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Dr Jay
That has to be the best sock puppet name ever.
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No kidding.

It's topped only by oprahloveswusa.

Sheikh Djabouti · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by riverplate
We come from a country where we can express opinions on anything, even if nobody "important" is listening. It's part of our nature and habit thanks to growing up here.

Can you say the same?
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Even Soviet citizens technically got to vote. As my nephew now says "woop dee freaking doo" (Ah, the joys of international satellite TV). Judging by the utter mess of your last Presidential election, it looks like your votes count as much as Ivan's did.

OK, so I get to twist your nose. Hooray for me. In all seriousness, most of your "elections" are uncontested for all practical purposes, meaning there is no real challenger to the person who is usually the incumbent. And you openly buy your politicians instead of hiding it like most places. You need an options and futures market on your laws to complete the process.

Also, if you're such a happy, functioning democracy and every citizen feels well-represented and involved in decision making processes, why are all your middle aged white men so angry? Why are they spewing anti-government diatribes over the radio and talking of shooting your Federal police and screaming about "taking back our government"? Why do you run about with firearms in the forest and blow up your government buildings? Allah's beard, man, when did Mr. USA Suburban Man start channeling the Black Panthers? what is the source of this violent dissent? Do you have any clue what that means for your democracy?

Yes, your rulers are smart enough to let you talk back once in a while and they take your pulse with "elections". As long as you don't seem like you're about to actually get off your sofa and do something, you can say what you want no matter how stupid or ill-informed. Bully for you. You have smart rulers. They let you chatter while they do as they please. If they make a big mistake, they throw a mere politician to the lions to keep the mob happy. Augustus Caesar would nod in approval. The "American People" are much like the Queen in England. You may reign but you do not rule.

Is that serious enough for you, GringoTex?

It's been fun making a limited point and having a few laughs along the way. My work in this thread is done. Time to hop on my camel and ride off into the sunset. "Yippee-kai-ay, m-fers!"

Allah loves you all.

Malaga CF fan · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
Even Soviet citizens technically got to vote. Blah, blah, blah... "Yippee-kai-ay, m-fers!"

Allah loves you all.
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So is this guy liberal or conservative?

Mel Brennan · Oct 9, 2003

Re: Re: Hey, Politics posters, How Relevant ARE you REALLY??

Originally posted by Attacking Minded
Well . . . . . I get to vote. Do you?
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Getting the vote means next to nothing if the concomitant rights to free and fair elections, to take part in government, to freely associate and assemble, and to express opinion and dissention are absent.

In addition, all of the above rights have little value if one does not have freedom FROM extra-judicial killngs and torture, as well as arbitrary arrest, dentention or harrassment.

Thirdly, the above rights are less than fully exercised if one does not have access to basic human needs (food ,clothing, shelter), education, health care, labor rights and a livable environment.

Too many people think vote=any meaningful level of democracy. If that were the case, then it could be argued that Saddam had a teensy-weensy bit of democracy within his regime...

Attacking Minded · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti
It's been fun making a limited point and having a few laughs along the way. My work in this thread is done. Time to hop on my camel and ride off into the sunset. "Yippee-kai-ay, m-fers!"

Allah loves you all.
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I'd tell you what I think of that but the mossad won't let me.

Oh and by the way, a freind of mine really did receive a message on 9/10 to not go to work the next day.

GringoTex · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Sheikh Djabouti

Is that serious enough for you, GringoTex?

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Yes, but how do you know so much about us posting from the UAE and Monaco?

Dan Loney · Oct 9, 2003

The Politics forum is cheaper than therapy. And a lot cheaper than lap-dances.

SoFla Metro · Oct 9, 2003

Originally posted by Dan Loney
The Politics forum is cheaper than therapy. And a lot cheaper than lap-dances.
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Not if your mom's a stripper.