Re: Bear Down!!!Chicago Bears!! Between the above and Amos Alonzo Stagg, you could make a pretty decent case for Chicago as the home of American football, not Ohio.
Re: Bear Down!!!Chicago Bears!! They were one of the charter franchises in the American Professional Football Association in 1920 as the Decatur (IN) Staleys. In 1921, they moved to Cubs Park in Chicago, and in 1922, changed their name to reflect their baseball landlords. But the original Chicago franchise was the Morgan Athletic Club, 1898. They played at Normal Field on Racine Street in Chicago, and were known as the Racine Normals. The next year, they acquired used jerseys from the University of Chicago, whose moniker is the Maroons. John O'Brien, the coach of the Normals, remarked "Those aren't faded maroon, they're cardinal red!" And thus, the Racine Cardinals were born. When a club from Racine, WI joined the NFL, they became the Chicago Cardinals.
maybe for when they clelebate a touchdown etc. but thats about the only time they need it! thats the only time thay ever get physical. i watched the pats game yesterday and boy do these guys (steelers, i am talking to you!!) need lessons in how to tackle. they go for the knees or shins. LOL! go for the waist and bring them down properly! have you ever watched rugby? much harder and they don't have 10 ton of padding.
now was this an american study? cos i think it was! a study of world sports would have included rugby, auz football and a game called 'the wall' (most violent game in history!) and many more.
thankyou for at least giving me threads that show both sides of the argument. i give you a for that. i am glad that i do have some fellow rugby fans out there with similar ideas to me. i watched the pats game last night and i hjave a few pointers and questions if you will answer them for me? 1)Like Brady! 2)Good interceptions by Pats. 3) Steelers were quite c*ap (sorry). i think they fumbled 6 times! BAD! 4) 2nd touchdown by pats. give some credit to brady and Pats but a lot of blame has to go to steelers. they should have brought that guy down way before he reach the touchdown area. tut tut! 5) is there an offside rule like in footie? could a q.back just throw the ball to the end and have a guy catch it? 6) i couldnt see this too well on my naff tv - that guy who jumped out of play holding the ball. did he have both feet in play when he caught it? 7) aren't the conversion's a bit too simple? its straight in front of the posts! i can do that! you wouldn't even be allowed near the SCHOOL rugby team if you couldn't score that. 8) wnat time was game on in US? i don't think i saw it live cos they set up for new starts really fast. the game finished at 4.10am here (yes i stayed up till then) 9) why do some of the plays start at 50yds and some with a KO from 30 yds? 10) when you set up for a "scrum" is it always in the centre of the field? 11) don't think it was touchdown for steelers at the nd. he was on top of line and not over it IMHO 12) HAVE YOU SEEN A RUGBY GAME?!?!? hope you can help me with my questions.
well duh! *smacks crewdust on head for thinking i am stupid * and isn't it the point of the defense to stop him?
Theoretically, yes, he could, but that's what the offensive line is there for. At long distances from the endzone a quarterback would get sacked long before his team could get a receiver out that far.
When Theodore Roosevelt was president, he threatened to ban the game if colleges and other teams did not do something to prevent players from getting killed during a game. Thus teams started using pads and helmets.
ok, is this because the answer to have 'have you seen rugby?' is no and you don't want to show yourself up? i won't seek you anymore. you are the weakest link, goodbye!
tell them to learn how to tackle safely then! i know it sounds odd but rugby players don't have all that padding and they don't come out with that mnay serious injuries. no more than footie players do.
Which goes to show you that American football is more violent. Back in the day, there was no rule against clotheslining your opponent. You do whatever it takes to bring down the other player.
Have you ever tried that? Go ahead try it... GO out and just try it in a park with some firends. You' ll be eating dirt, while the ball carrier goes right around you untouched. Very few players are good enough to go all out and make contact. Some players like Barry Sanders you cant even get a good hit on, others like Jerome Betis live on hitting the defense and usually will run right over anyone. Considering he weights something like 255 and is only 5-11 its pretty much a given hes going to run right over anyone. COrrect me if Im wrong, but in Rugby dont you have to go down once someone grabs you and release the ball to a teamate?
erm, footie is what you call soccer. i never mentioned injuries to american football players. therefore meaning that padding isn't needed cos the injuries aren't that serious. usually muscle strains or bloody noses. nothing bad.
well then that proves what a *************** idea it is to have certain specialisec area's foir players. if they can't defend then they shouldn't be there! maybe it is difficult but its not impossible. the US footballer's dive WAY too early. i saw everyone doing it in the game the other night. i think you have been watching touch rugby which is what 4-10 year olds play in primary school to teach them the basic rules. in real rugby the person with the ball will hold on even if someone is stamping on their head! the only time you pass is when the other team mate has a chance of getting forward or scoring a point. you need to watch either New Zealand, Auz, England or wales play. you might find its good.
Padding might not be needed in rugby but it is needed in American Football because players could get seriously hurt. There are players in college that get paralyzed even with all that padding. Now imagine American football without padding and there will definitely be casualties. Thats why I said in my earlier posts that there is a very good reason for all that padding.
Re: Re: Help me choose a US Football team! FYI, rugby players are allowed to wear shoulder padding under their shirts now. But nothing hard.
Re: Re: Help me choose a US Football team! no, the padding is NOT necessary, because if you wernt wearing helmets, football players wouldnt be leading with thier heads. and as for the rugby pads, its really nothing, kinda like a padded goalkeepers shirt.
Well I was asking the question NOT mocking it. I LIKE Rugby, but I am still a novice, and only catch it now and again on FSW. I just think that your judgement about Am. Football is way off base. I can see how you might come to some of those conclusions but if you actually played the games You'll understand why people do what they do. I mean when I watch soccer, I also scream at players to why the didnt do a certain move. Its easy from the stands. Once youre there it isnt. Much like people think linemen are a bunch of fat pigs, they arent. They are big dudes but those guys can easily bench 500+ pounds. They also have to push 300 pound men around around 100 times a game, not only are they 300 pounds, but they are using force against you and moving around. You go out one day and push a 300 pound man around. I bet you wont last 5 minutes. Yeah they probably cant run 40yrds in 4 seconds, but they arent supposed to. THey dont carry the ball and they dont covere receivers.
As a life-long Giants fan, let me introduce you to a few of our heros over the years. Lawrence "LT" Taylor #56 LT was the greatest linebacker (defensive position) ever. He revolutionized the position. He played from the early 80's to the early 90's. There are a lot of great LT stories: he ended Joe Theismann's (Redskins quarterback) career when he snapped his leg in half; he separated his shoulder before a big game against New Orleans one year but rather than sit out, he had his arm taped to his body and played the entire game with only one arm-he even had a great game doing this; against Detroit on Thanksgiving Day (big nationally televised game) he had a few sacks and then intercepted a pass late in the game and ran it back 90yds. to win the game for the Giants. LT has battled drug addictions for most of his playing career and since retiring but he is still remembered fondly by Giants fans. Murf
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well doesn't that just prove how useless the padding is. it is the way they play that injures the,m. tell them how to tackle and dive safely and less injuries of that kind will happen. i just read a post from a guy saying the point of american football is to use the head? wtf? thats not sport where tactics are involved!
but the point is that i don't scream at rugby players to to tackle cos they go and do it! as for me pushing a 300 pound guy around. being only 6 1/2 stone i wouldn't even bother really american footballers gte paid loads compared to rugby players and yet they can only pewrfect one skill mostly. they should be able to tackle, run, throw, kick..everything. ok, im not asking them to be 100% perfect but they need to be able to fill in for these positions should it be necessary. if they only had limited number of subs available in US football they would be in big trouble if an injury occured. BIG trouble. i am going to continue to watch US football as long as my ch5 hols out (its winter soon so i will lose reception )