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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Knave, Dec 3, 2016.
But your economically literate friends did and you are backing their stupidity up.
Weird, then, that the percentage of those uninsured has continued to fall. If people are discovering that access to health insurance is not access to health care, they're doing a really bad job showing it.
Remember when we were promised that Obamacare would reduce the dependency on emergency room for health care? How is that working out for us? Again don't confuse health insurance with health care.
No, you don't get to change the conversation when you're wrong. Why is the percentage of uninsured people falling despite you saying they're waking up to insurance being a scam? Why don't you answer a question posed to you before trying to squirm your way out?
More people do have insurance, I am not disputing that. It is very expensive and has very high deductibles.
Now can you explain why the use of ERs is up when so many now have insurance?
If you are correct, then the uninsured rate should be going back up as people see the insurance "scam." However, it's just the opposite - after Trump's election, an additional 500,000 people purchased insurance plans, according to acasignups.net. If you're wrong, of course, it's entirely consistent with reality.
I cannot explain why the use of ERs is up, because the use of ERs has flatlined since Obamacare took effect.
Sorry. You're wrong again.
Well ER usage is up, but let just say it has flatlined, can you explain why it didn't go down as promised?
I'm backing up no one's "stupidity" but merely pointing out that the anecdote of your friend having to retire is a crock of shite from an economic standpoint.
Why, you don't think people might decrease their income in order to get subsidies?
No, it has not gone up. You just lied. It has not gone down immediately because the law was designed to take decades to fully complete its mission - ER usage is a habit and requires generational change. Just as people could not lose 100 pounds in a single month. But that does not deter me from the real problem here.
You just saw statistics showing ER usage has flatlined if not slightly declined after the first year of ACA data was in. You read the same numbers I did.
And you didn't believe them. You just didn't believe them.
You get to vote. You got to bring children into this world. And you can't read a graph. When your kids came back from school with failing grades, I bet you told the school they were passing grades, didn't you.
If you could count, you would know that the subsidies are tied to a percentage of income. Only those making over $97k/year would try to cut income. And there are dozens of other ways to cut down the individual cost of insurance aside from losing income that they would try first.
But it doesn't matter, because we're about to see the GOP admit they don't have a better plan in the Spring. Weird, though...we've asked repeatedly for Trump supporters and anti-Obamacare people to explain their better alternative. And not once has it come up. If Obamacare is so bad, and single-payer untenable, what's your alternative?
She didn't just decrease her earned income, she eliminated it.
And when you were asked to produce some facts, you replied, ""These were questions I wasn't going to ask an emotional friend".
So Brummie, you are saying you can't explain why ER usage hasn't dropped. Sometimes rather than make up a bunch of bullshit it is better to simply say "I don't know".
It is a duel income family. Her forced retirement reduced the family income, it didn't eliminate it.
No, I said it takes years to change individual behavior. That's why people with insurance are going to the ER - to them, that's health care. They don't know doctor networks, couldn't pick a specialist out from a primary-care physician, and are unfamiliar with other forms of health care, so they go where it's comfortable. As the data show, though, the slight decline indicates that some people go to primary-care physicians. And each year, more and more will go visit the "correct" health care provider.
Additionally, the literature suggests that more ER visits are a result of people using the ER for additional health-care emergencies that they were just ignoring when they did not have health care.
I've said this many times over the years. Others have, too. You choose not to incorporate this information. That's on you. That's why you will continue to be wrong about the world around you. Repeatedly. Frequently. And you will continue to be wrong until you choose to accept the facts around you.
Economic illiteracy isn't "forced".
People don't go to the ER out of habit. You simply made that up. It is a stupid explanation and completely unbelievable. Just admit you can't explain why ER usage has not declined and then we can discuss why it hasn't and what that means.
So you refuse to admit people might reduce their incomes to gain subsidies. And you have to gall to call people economically illiterate. LOL!
Do you also not believe people might change their behavior to avoid incurring higher tax liabilities?
Go to an ER and ask the staff.
I'll ask you the same two questions I asked you when this was previously discussed. Maybe she's a little less "emotional" now:
By retiring how much is she reducing their annual income?
By retiring how much is she increasing their subsidy?
And a new third question:
By retiring, how much is she reducing the value of HSA contribution deductions?
As I said back then she was making $20 an hour. As for the second question... I don't know. I do know she had a licensed financial planner,who you also called economically literate (amazing how you can deduce so much without all the details).
So are you going to answer my question? Do people change their behavior to reduce tax liability?
How do you pay for your health care?
I don't have to because I know the answer. It was a rhetorical question to see if you understood the significance of stat. You obviously don't and you don't seem to want to understand.
I barter with the doctor and pay in chickens and eggs. What of question is that?
See, I am good friends with an ER doc (he was a groomsman at my wedding). So I actually know you're just lying.