Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    There's unfortunately no cure for Trumpism
     
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  2. Coyote-Trickster

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    #5002 Coyote-Trickster, Feb 18, 2020
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    1) I'm your favorite? *blushes*

    2) Meh, with the current rise in "economic anxiety" of the white middle class forcing them to nakedly expose their vestigial racism as a show of fealty to the Oligarchy which is rapidly offshoring their jobs, I and other Natives ain't going to be relinquishing anything gained without a sustained campaign of asymmetrical warfare and violent economic retribution against late stage capitalism.

    CGL / Canada could have won this war 30 years ago by simply engaging in a protracted defense in place until it dropped out of the public psyche, but in the age of twitter & instant information distribution, being able to show the RCMP snipers targeting unarmed elders doesn't play with their whole reconciliation meme...

    Kinda like Self Hating $5 Cherokee Governor Bushybrows is burning his political capital with rural OK voters by claiming that the tribes who have become the largest employers outside of OKC / Tulsa aren't playing fair and is trying to say that they should be paying 5 times the rates they should for exclusivity to conduct gaming, but that if we raise the O&G gross production tax BACK to 7% like it was the last time the state had a budget surplus, all the oil companies (that provide half the jobs the tribes do) are going to go bankrupt.

    We'll just call what I believe in sustainable & well regulated capitalism...

    As for the wypipo people that are shityourpants scared of a Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialist presidency... (not that I support him or think it'll happen)

    Don't worry...

    While Bernie would be in direct control of the largest and deadliest war machine the earth has ever seen, Russia / China / Israel will still be spying on us, Iranian Monitor will still be creating IRI Fanfic, the cops will still be killing POC, and corporations will still be using every level of government they can to trample on the rights of Indigenous / Native people for every dollar they can make
     
  3. There is, it's called 9 to 22 lead poisoning.
     
  4. Coyote-Trickster

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    There is, but it involves a lot of rope
     
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  5. song219

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  6. dapip

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    #5006 dapip, Feb 24, 2020
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    The free market taking care of itself:


    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240476806.html

    After returning to Miami last month from a work trip in China, Osmel Martinez Azcue found himself in a frightening position: he was developing flu-like symptoms, just as coronavirus was ravaging the country he had visited.

    Under normal circumstances, Azcue said he would have gone to CVS for over-the-counter medicine and fought the flu on his own, but this time was different. As health officials stressed preparedness and vigilance for the respiratory illness, Azcue felt it was his responsibility to his family and his community to get tested for novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19.

    He went to Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he said he was placed in a closed-off room. Nurses in protective white suits sprayed some kind of disinfectant smoke under the door before entering, Azcue said. Then hospital staff members told him he’d need a CT scan to screen for coronavirus, but Azcue said he asked for a flu test first.

    “This will be out of my pocket,” Azcue, who has a very limited insurance plan, recalled saying. “Let’s start with the blood test, and if I test positive, just discharge me.”

    But two weeks later, Azcue got unwelcome news in the form of a notice from his insurance company about a claim for $3,270.

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    Hospital officials at Jackson told the Miami Herald that, based on his insurance, Azcue would only be responsible for $1,400 of that bill, but Azcue said he heard from his insurer that he would also have to provide additional documentation: three years of medical records to prove that the flu he got didn’t relate to a pre-existing condition.

    While Azcue’s experience shows the potential cost of testing for a disease that epidemiologists fear may develop into a public health crisis in the U.S., one insurance expert sees the episode as a cautionary tale about the potential risks associated with deregulation in the insurance market.

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    Azcue said he earns about $55,000 a year working for a medical device company that does not offer health insurance, but his insurance plan wasn’t always so narrow. Last year, Azcue said he was covered under an Affordable Care Act-compliant plan that cost him about $278 in monthly premiums.

    Those premiums shot up to $400 a month when his full year salary kicked in, so he canceled his plan in November, he said. Azcue said he now pays $180 per month for the limited plan from National General Insurance.
     
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  8. stanger

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    So what you are saying is that when his federal subsidy for his Obamacare plan was gone, his premiums increased beyond what he was capable of paying. He was forced to buy what he could afford, a non-compliant plan.
     
  9. dapip

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    The point, that you seem to be missing completely, is that a fractured healthcare system with unequal levels of coverage, would make a lot of people get into decisions that might be damaging for the rest of us, like avoiding visiting the doctor for fears of a massive financial hit.

    And is your point that this guy probably didn't lift himself by the bootstraps hard enough to foresee that thanks to Trump his insurance premiums would go up and he'd be forced into a plan that was allowed to exist by Trump?
     
  10. stanger

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    I'm not going to argue the system we have needs help and that there are people that avoid it due to various factors.

    What I will argue is that you cannot get care, at least in Ohio, in in the poorest parts of Ohio.

    I have worked extensively both for my family and for my clients to find solutions to issues with payment, and in every single case there has been an amicable resolution, either through assistance from the state or even from the healthcare networks themselves. Ohio Health has it's HCAP program, as an example.

    It's not perfect and there are certainly ways to improve it, but there are ways to get the required care.
     
  11. dapip

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    Yeah, like getting jailed in Kansas, or maybe you can deduct the evacuation bill from your Tax refund.


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    Oh wait!!! There’s no tax refund for 80% of people because we have to pay for tax cuts for billionaires and corporations.

    And you again missed my point completely, how our fractured system makes us mor vulnerable to a pandemic. Next thing you’ll tell me that Hillary would be responding to the Coronavirus emergency in the same exact way ad Trump.
     
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  12. dapip

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    I suspect this is, at least partially, a reason for the denial:



    Does anyone think about the shareholders???
     
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  13. stanger

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    The jailing in Kansas was for failure to appear IIRC.

    The rest of your post is like all your other posts.

    Never should have replied to you.
     
  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Glad to see Medicare 4 All shot right back up to the top issue spot like a surging temperature
     
  15. usscouse

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    But the Trumpster has a fantastic health plan for all including pre existing conditions. Just ask him. MAGA

    Coronavirus time bomb: America’s uninsured and brutal work culture
    Like many Americans, bartender Danjale Williams is worried about the growing threat of the novel coronavirus.

    What makes the 22-year-old in Washington even more frightened: The thought of medical bills she just can’t afford, as one of almost 27.5 million people in the United States who don’t have health insurance.

    “I definitely would second guess before going to the doctor, because the doctor’s bill is crazy,” she said. “If it did come down to that, I don’t have enough savings to keep me healthy.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/coronavirus-time-bomb-americas-uninsured-and-brutal-work-culture/
     
  16. Quarantine all GOP voters untill after the election.
     
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  17. HerthaBerwyn

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    This is an argument against corporate death panels and in favor of medicare for all.

    I notice that Biden has resurrected his campaign. This will directly lead to a resurrection of Republican 'deep concerns' about corruption in Ukraine.
     
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  18. InTheSun

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    That reminds me also to send a shoutout to the idiots who favor "co-location" instead of telecommuting as the hottest trend in tech corporate work arrangements. Let's see how fast your people warehouses empty when this health emergency hits.
     
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  19. Having people die from conditions that arenot expensive to get medicines for in other countries, is having institutional death panels.
     
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  20. stanger

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    FYI, flu treatments are covered by regular Medicare.
     
  21. I was referring to people who die because of lacking the money for insuline.
     
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  22. stanger

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    Original Medicare requires a PDP plan and some insulins are covered with copays, same as MA plans. MA plans offered through UHC also provide for the testing equipment for free.
     
  23. So why are people dying out of lack of medicine for diabetic problems?
     
  24. dapip

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    Because about 10% of the population lacks healthcare insurance and another 10-15% has insufficient coverage. Add to that that Pharmaceutical companies are allowed now, more than ever, to jack up their prices (See epiPen).

    But some people are so convinced that Healthcare is something you have to earn/deserve, that they'll turn a blind eye and try to justify the "imperfections" of the system, not to mention they're willing to a. give a pass to Trump and the republicans for trying to destroy the system and b. convinced that somehow the free market will correct all the deficiencies.
     
  25. So still institutional death squads
     

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