Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    Perhaps she was working in order to keep her head above water and pay her bills?
     
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  2. Yoshou

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    Which is another reason why putting her in jail is stupid. Putting her in jail makes it harder for her to pay her debt. She won't be making any money while in jail and will likely to lose her jobs while in jail, and will either struggle to find other jobs, or will find only be able to get jobs that pay less than what she was already getting paid...
     
  3. ToMhIlL

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    Maybe because she had to work at her second job that only pays you when you work and the boss-man wouldn't give her time off?

    EDIT:
    M beat me to it.
     
  4. dapip

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    Obviously the Biggs are not lifting themselves by their boot straps, like any good Independently Conscious American would do... Why do these people love to call for handouts, like affordable healthcare, time off to care for their children or decent paying jobs? The nerve...
     
  5. stanger

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    Possible, but I didn't see the reason in the story, so I know as much as you.
     
  6. It's the corrupt cosy treesome of judges-prison system exploiters-police to put as many people behind bars for a profit.
    As many things in the VSA it's not about justice, but about making money with jails. The same with health care.
    I already mentioned Casper van Eijck, the world leading authority on pancreas cancer at my alma mater the Erasmus University (and Feyenoord's team med!). He has a promising way to fight this one of the deadliest cancers with mutated viruses. He's keen on setting up a production lab at the university to prevent the cure if successful to become a pharmaceutical product that will be extremely expensive for patients. He said it would be unbearable/unforgivable to have a cure that saves lifes, but would be too expensive for most patients to buy.
    Just wonder if an American oncologist would be in his position with possibly being on the brink to finally have a cure for this disease. What would he do? Think of patients capability to pay for it/patients wallets or his own one?
     
  7. VFish

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    The 'perhaps' was in M's explanation. Here, let me translate for you... M is saying he/she/<pronoun of choice> has no incite into this case but he/she/<pronoun of choice> is going paint it the way he/she/<pronoun of choice> wants it painted, facts be damned.
     
  8. ToMhIlL

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    I have no incite either, but anyone could have been the one who aggravated Trump supporters enough so that he told them he'd pay their legal bills if they took [pronoun of choice] outside and beat the shit out of them for expressing their right to free speech.

    it doesn't take much to insight those kinds of people to violence.
     
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  9. Mr billionaire has a suggestion:
    1229127380402393088 is not a valid tweet id
     
  10. Funkfoot

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    That's a better way of rationing healthcare than denying care to the poor, which is what we do now.
     
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  11. taosjohn

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    It would just birth a major industry in front-dating birth certificates...
     
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  12. dapip

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    What’s the term for it?

    Death Panels, wasn’t it?
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    "He kind of has a point there"

    - Prince Charles, probably
     
  14. Funkfoot

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  15. usscouse

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    A close friend of mine hit hard times just when his prostrate cancer hit. With no insurance he went to an experimental study at UW.
    Must be about 10 years ago now. He’s been cleared for over half that time and is doing well with his own business.

    his trouble now is he’s a Brainwashed Trumpite and we can’t talk politics.
     
  16. Yoshou

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    While that may be true, politicians don't want to say such things aloud. No one wants to let Grandma or Grandpa die, particularly if it is by government edict.
     
  17. ceezmad

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    He does have a point, lots of money is spend on end of life care.

    But saying it out-loud is unpopular and even if you put in some good regulation, it will be attacked by the AARP and other organization as Democrats are going to kill your grandparents.

    It is definitely needed.
     
  18. Coyote-Trickster

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    Its always easier to see the working poor as lazy anyway
     
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  19. Coyote-Trickster

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    Well, to be fair, people think it's government intrusion is you RECOMMEND them to get an annual check up, let alone start to get those routine camera up the ass inspections when you start to get old, but half the reason that our later in life health care is so expensive is because Americans avoid preventative care like the plague, until bad shit isn't discovered until Stage 4 and post-treatment survival starts to be measured in months, not years.

    The other half is that people are only coming around to the knowledge that caring for a disabled / sick / aging relative is a staggering financial cost to the caregiver, as well as a massive health cost to them as well. They ignore their own care for the care of the relative, again, leading to higher down the road costs & early mortality, with the ill relative going into LTC.

    Couple all that with social isolation of aging groups being as toxic as smoking and you get what you get
     
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  20. Kazuma

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    It's a crap ton easier to schedule stuff if you work a cushy office gig and have generous time off.

    Not so much when your schedule changes constantly in say retail.
     
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  21. Coyote-Trickster

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    Or pretty much any service job where you have little to no PTO and have to be at work 7-4 / 8-5, you have near zero time to do anything legal or service related yourself. Worse if you can't get FTE hours and have to work 2 PT jobs to get 45-50 hours to survive
     
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  22. dapip

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    How uniquely American!!
     
  23. dapip

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    John Oliver’s segment on Medicare for Alll was very good:


     
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  24. Coyote-Trickster

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    Oh to be fair, I'm pretty sure you can find exploitative employers in every county in the world and corrupt officials who will look the other way for enough cash.

    I mean, look at how many structures outside the western world have floors added on without any structural review or permitting that eventually collapse.

    Dare I say anyone working on the Qatar WC stadiums too.

    But the Anglo speaking colonies, they do the Protestant Work Ethic bullshit so very well
     
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  25. superdave

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    Oh, look, our favorite FND has become a freakin' communist!
     

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