Has there been a shift to the left on Big Soccer Politics?

I day so.

 

You're fooling yourself. We're living in an ape dictatorship. A self-perpetuating ape autocracy in which the working ape classes....

 

HAHAHA.

 

You're both wrong. This in reality is a fake ape exsistence. We are plugged into this "Apetrix," never really knowing of the real ape world. Only a small select group of apes have freed themselves and their minds, and now fight Super Robotic Apes to save the last true ape bastion.

 

Dr. Zaius, I presume.

Get your hands off me, you damn dirty apes!

 

It's a madhouse! A madhouse!!!

 

Since this is now an ape thread I might as well menton that I read recently that Cheetah, the chimp who co-starred with Johnny Weissmuller (or maybe it was the other way around), is still allive at 71.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0509_030509_cheeta.html

 

[boston accent]You cheetah!!! I hope you get wicked cahded fah that dive!!![/boston accent]

 

Re: Dr. Zaius, I presume.

Human see, human do.

 

Now CrewStadium227 shall see the Politics forum has shifted to the ultimate farcicality.

 

An empty barrel makes the most noise. Those of us who are conservatives have jobs and careers to tend to, while the liberals have plenty'o free time hanging out at the local student union and Starbucks pontificating endlessly.

 

And the fact, the leftists on this board -- and everywhere else -- are incredibly predictable.

We needed a second resolution after 1441...the Republicans and Bush and his cabinet are liars...the USA is a hegemonist behemoth with no morals... Iraq's falling apart only because we invaded/didn't have a proper plan for occupation.....if only we could have Clinton back!!....tax cuts are only for the rich...

yada yada yada

in an endless, droning, moaning goulash of a vacuous rhetoric.

Here the tenets of the leftist/liberal sensibility in a more categorical form:

1. Pessimism – it’s all devolving into chaos and disaster
2. Cynicism —the powers that be (corporate, political) are completely venal, greedy, crass, and hypocritical, with no redeeming motives
3. Demonization —and they’re devils and evil to boot
4. It’s All the USA’s Fault —the USA is hegemonist, imperialist, and colonialist, and the source of all the world’s ills
5. Patronizing —most people really don’t know what’s good for them (and certainly aren't as educated and perceptive as we are)
6. Deep Loathing —because we’re so pessimistic, cynical, and patronizing, we feel REALLY bad, about the world and ourselves
7. Distinction Blurring – a favorite argumentative tactic of the left.
8. Guilt by Association – a tactic employed by demagogues of all stripes, but the left is particularly prone to it. Rumsfeld sitting down with Saddam Hussein years ago; a prominent conservative engaging in pedophilia/statutory rape; Cheyney knowing Ken Lay.
9. Trotting out the “Moral Equivalence/Consistency Above All ” Argument – another tactic employed by demagogues everywhere, this hackneyed debating tactic is employed constantly by the left -- sometimes morphing into astonishing logical leaps. After WMDs? Why aren't we invading Pakistan? Among many many others.
10. Bad actions in the past negate the possibility of doing good things today
    How dare you try to do the moral thing NOW -- such as overthrow a Stalinist tyranty today -- when you've done an IMMORAL thing in the past -- such as support that Stalinist tyrant in the past.
11. Hypocrisy is the most cardinal of sins –the odd moral code of liberals that makes hypocrisy worse than having no morals at all. For instance, cheating on your wife is OK if you never said that cheating is bad. But if you claim to value marital fidelity, then it's open season. Said one leftist on this board: "I have more respect for a person who admits to molesting underage girls, than I do for a hypocrite who rails against the cultural evil of Britney Spears but goes and has s#x with a 16 yr old."
12. Complain, Complain, Complain – And its variation, “moan” and “whine.” But only when things aren’t EXACTLY the way they want them to be. Fox News is winning the rating competition; my God, it’s….it’s….a monopoly! And rather than worry how their party of choice might actually create a platform of credible policy alternatives to Bush, they work themselves into a lather about the timing of the Republican convention.

Yep, it's quite the list, and, of course, they have to take up most of the bandwith around here, seeing as how there is no end to the spinning out of the endless variations on these all-too-predictable themes.

 

Dear Mike:

Thanks for providing such gracious, witty, perceptive, and civilized remarks in response.

 

Re: Re: Re: Has there been a shift to the left on Big Soccer Politics?

Really? Perhaps instead debating the uppity leftists on this board, a class of intellect that falls somewhere between the amusing and the moronic, is simply not worth the trouble most of the time.

Good for you.

Based on your evidentiary conclusions above about the effects of the Bush economy, what was your grade in Macroeconomics?

If you got a D, it was gift.

 

Let's see..

--Did this current adminstration have a chance to nail Bin Laden and didn't do it because the commander in chief was out golfing? and didn't want to be bothered?

--Did this adminstration lose the nuclear codes...and then lie about it for two days...and then admit they lost them only when pressed?

--Did this adminstration sexually molest an air force enlisted female? And then have to apologize later?

--Is this current adminstration going to have, as its legacy, having been found out as as the adminstration who was fellated in the oval office...and then denied "having sex" in the ultimate "hair splitting" distinction worthy of a the most manipulative trial lawyer??

Yep, that's right, the current adminstration is absolutely incompetent. The previous one, of course, really had its act together.

 

What was that you were saying about predictability Karl? You are the most predictible guy in this forum. You rarely if ever respond to a point with a counter-point, but rather your asinine "tenets of liberalism." Do you get a nickel for every time it gets posted? Or are you just trying to post it enough times so that maybe some other twisted soul will believe it to be true. You prefer to respond with rhetoric. You apparently fail to see that you embody every single one of the things you say the liberals are. Those traits are traits of the extreme, be it right or left. You are the far right, and others on here are the far left and when you all end up in a "debate" it ends up being nothing but a pissing match where you both finish up 152 pages later smug and proclaiming yourself the victor. Extreme viewpoints like yours (and others from both sides) are part of the biggest problem with government and politics in this country.

 

Look, I didn't raise the issue that this was the most 'incompetent administration in decades." Manolo did. He raised the issue of incompetence, as a comparitive issue, so then that issue is fair game.

The fact is YOU and anyone else cannot dispute the FACTs of incompetence of the previous administration. No one, not Carville, or Terry McCauliffe, or Hilary Clinton, or Bill himself, has come forth to dispute the facts of this evidence of....INcompetence.

The biggest problem of politics and government in this country are not my posts on Big Soccer. Hey I am smart, but my posts are not THAT important.

No, the biggest problem in this country is the witch-hunting and the "gotcha" politics, as practiced by both the right and the left.

Of course, the left is REALLY into it, with its hypocrisy geiger counters, and it's demonizaton of Bush and his administration. Its belief that the USA is the nation causing all the world's problems, that the adminstration is EVIL and otherwise engaging in forms of moral turpitude of the worst sort.

My comments about the tenets of liberalism are spot on. This is the sensibility of the left today.

There are equally despicable tenets of certain segments of the right. I know what they are, but it is fascinating to me that no leftist/liberal on this board, with ALL the openings I have provided for them, have not taken the opportunity to list them.

The reason, of course, is that they simply are incapable of structuring a logical, methodical argument that is devoid of fallacies and demagoguery.

At least the right, with all its faults, can actually construct a coherent set of syllogisms.

 

There were definitely points in the Clinton administration that were incompetent. I feel that all the nonsense with the Chinese and fundraising was one of them. I feel his renting out of the Lincoln bedroom was another. I don't feel that his denial of sexual relations had anything to do with his policy. I count that among the witch hunts you mentioned. I don't base a President's performance on their morality in regards to personal life.

For someone who claims intelligence, you sure missed my point. Extremists, ie: those LIKE you, are the biggest problem of politics and government in this country. Compromise has been replaced by pointless bickering and posturing.

I agree wholeheartedly. Bush and Clinton's drug use, what they did during their college years, who they had relations with etc have replaced actual concerns regarding policy.

And here is where you revert to form. You fail to realize that you (and those on the far right) are just as predictable as those you dislike. You display the same qualities, but with a slightly different platform. Neither side will give one inch to the other, or, will give a millimeter, but then make up for that concession by going on for paragraphs about how the left/right is inferior. BOTH SIDES SUCK WHEN THEY STICK TO THE EXTREME. Staying to the far side of the spectrum regardless of the side goes against everything the two party system was meant to be. Our government is based on compromise, and right now it's based on finding any way possible to undermine the opposition. It makes me sick.

 

Me?? Revert to form??

Can't you admit my "tenets of liberalism" are accuate? Why, even leftists themelves on this board admit they are cynical...though they like to call it "realism." And haven't you seen them concede they think hypocrisy is a an ENORMOUS sin? Why worry about the sin itself...but the guy who rails against the sin, and gets caught committing it...why, he ls the REAL bad guy. And you don't think they demonize?? There was a thread on this board, with scores of post, dissecting the fine points of Republican "evil." And pessimism? First the war was being screwed up...no wait...ok, now it's the occupation...

Look, it's folks like SuperDave and Loney and others of their sensiblity, the Henry Waxmans of the World, the Paul Krugmans and the Bob Herberts and Maureen Dowds, and the yahoos at Salon and Slate who go on and on and on about the same pablum and drivel, over and over and over again.

The can't revert to form because they never leave it to go back TO it.

Compromise? They couldn't even look up the definition, much less comprehend its meaning.

No, they'd rather unleash their rhetorical attack dogs, with all the rage and emotional hyperventilation they can muster.

Logic and reason?? Puhleeeze.

The fact is, though, that they will rant and rave, complain and whine, mock and belittle, and, in the end, they will be slowly but surely marginalized because the vast majority of the American people, of all races creeds and and colors, find the views of such folks basically vapid and hollow.

The will shake their fists, and clench their teeth, and, in the end, it will all be for naught.

 

Karl:

You sadden me.