Harrison mayor still committed to stadium

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by obie, Jan 3, 2003.

  1. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
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    New York Red Bulls
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  3. G Enriquez

    G Enriquez Member+

    Apr 1, 2002
    Tampa
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    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
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    United States
    Good luck guys. The Metros deserve thier own stadium.
     
  4. Revs007

    Revs007 Member

    Nov 11, 2000
    Boston
    Obie,

    Do you honestly believe that the proposal is off the table completely? And if so, why?

    Is the fact the state believes that Phil Anschutz was fraudulent to the state of NY the only reason why it was put off in december? Was it out of spite for Uncle Phil?

    This is all frustrating because i believed as well as many other supporters believed that by this time it would be a done deal. And we are all in the blind without any legit reasons as to why this is the way it is.

    Whats going to be the process now for the Metros and Uncle Phil to get this project off the ground, for the 100th time?

    any thoughts, thanks obie.
     
  5. Mr. T

    Mr. T New Member

    Sep 29, 2002
    Somewhere or other
    Anschutz suddenly became a political liability 1 day before the vote when the Star-Ledger (I think) published something about him stealing from some pension fund, which swayed the NJ state senators (despite the fact that the proposed loan wouldn't actually benefit him). It all smells rotten to me.
     
  6. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dead? Yeah, for now I'd say that it's dead.

    The NJ Senate is equally split 20-20 between Democrats and Republicans. Since Harrison is a Dem stronghold, the Democrats have generally supported the bill. Republicans have not for a variety of reasons, most of which deal with "fiscal responsibility" which is really just griping that the only people who benefit from this and other stadium bills are Democratic supporters. There's no tiebreaking system in New Jersey legislature; a 20-20 vote in the Senate (or a 3-3 vote in committee) means the bill fails. So, AEG's goal has been to find that one Republican who will stick his/her neck out for it and vote for it. Given Phil's financial issues and new statewide elections at the end of this year, I doubt there's anyone on the Republican side who's willing to stick their neck out for this, and fewer Democrats are willing to fight for it either.
     
  7. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're assuming that the bill would have passed had that story not run. I think that AEG & Bernie Kenny knew it would have died in committee on a 3-3 vote, and they used the article as an excuse to withdraw the bill and search more for a sympathetic vote.
     
  8. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    To clarify: No one was accused of stealing from the pension fund.

    The pension fund lost a lot of money on investments in Qwest. Frequently, when lots of money is lost on investments, investors implicate management for the loss, alleging anything from misleading statements that inflated the price of the stock and bonds to outright fraud. Many times, these lawsuits are settled for cash without an admission of guilt by the company, so investors can benefit from bringing such a lawsuit whether or not it has any merit.

    Also, I think a case can definitely be made that the proposed loan would benefit Anschutz by supporting his investment in the team/MLS/SUM, even thought the loan is not made directly to him.

    It is very rare for any entity to provide funding in the form of a loan or otherwise to benefit another party that it is currently suing.
     
  9. jack921

    jack921 New Member

    Jul 10, 2000
    Thanks for a helpful post on a complicated matter.
     
  10. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just because a bill will only help Democrats hasn't stoped New Jersey Republicans before. Actually, they're very good at helping out Democrats.

    I wouldn't be so pessimistic that the bill is dead. Once the heat dies down on the lawsuit I think it could easily come back and pass, maybe in an end of session flurry.

    They may be able to get a Republican in the area (if there are any) later in the year.
     
  11. Stevedm

    Stevedm Red Card

    Jan 19, 2000
    Chicago
    Oh really??!!He is huh? Why didn't that piece of crap warn someone that his Democratic buddies were going to drop that bomb less than 24 hours before the vote. Alot of smoke and mirrors. YOu can forget about a stadium for NJ for a few years now!!!!
     

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