Happy birthday to the greatest number 10 of all time

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by babaorum, Jun 21, 2025.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    and now ..


    on Michel Platini ...


    vs


    Romário


    vs


    Marco van Basten ....




    yes ...... I agree with you dear Mate ..here on this Topic ..


    the answer is simple and easier on my view !





    Platini

    vs

    Romário ...


    Even though Romario

    is equal to Michel Platini in terms of technical Attributes , pure talent, dribbling skills and Ball control skills ...

    in the part about taking responsibility for deciding the matches, stronger personality and leadership for the Teams.

    it is neck to neck for sure
    ...

    But
    Romário was super lazy. at defensive Job , def Headers Won %....

    and

    Romário played to shine he wasn't a team player a total individualist



    Michel Platini...

    was like Di Stefano...Don

    he was a defensive midfielder, central midfielder, Regista , segundo Volante, an attacking midfielder, a second striker, a false 9, a center forward, complete-forward , enganche, Shadow Striker and a Top-goalscorer

    all in one player completely


    Total Footballer




    ...

    Platini


    vs


    Van Basten



    no matter how much Van Basten had or possessed excellent tackling and interception technique.





    Unfortunately,

    Van Basten

    didn't have enough stamina and

    endurance

    to cover

    large distances on the field.

    He was limited in agility and mobility by injuries.
     
  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Most Clutch Goals + Assists (Opta) in 100 Consecutive Games
    (only players with available data)

    [​IMG]
     
  4. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    What is a clutch goal (assist)? I'd presume a goal(assist) that, if removed, makes the outcome of the game change from win to draw or draw to defeat. But then a player who imbalances the game of his team by overcommitting to the attacking phase or monopolizing the offensive plays is going to be favored in the clutch ranking despite he is in fact ruining the effectiveness of the team! (he is going to score more personal goals/assist to the detriment of overall team result and cause his team concede more goals)! I would say that "clutch" numbers should be normalized to overall plays attempted (of course this would demand quite an effort).
     
  5. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors

    Clutch: Goals/Assists that equalize or give the team the lead

    Most in 100 Consecutive games
    Ibrahimovic added
    [​IMG]


    200 Consecutive Games
    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    "They told me that Maradona, during training, had the habit of aiming from midfield and putting the ball into the goal as if it were the simplest thing in the world.
    That story intrigued me so much that I decided to tell it to the team, at the Stadio Comunale.
    I said it emphatically, expecting some reaction.
    Platini remained silent.
    He didn't say a word, he didn't smile, he didn't comment.
    He simply called the stockman and told him to open the small door to the locker room, the one on the other side of the athletics track.
    Then he asked for a ball.
    He put it on the ground, settled himself, looked at the little door as if it were a distant target...
    and from midfield he unleashed a perfect shot.
    The ball crossed the pitch, crossed the track, and ended up straight in the locker room.
    Platini stared at me with a half-smile, the kind that speaks louder than any sentence.
    He said nothing else.
    He turned his back and He left like that, letting that gesture speak for him."
    "Le Roi" as told by Lawyer Gianni Agnelli .. !!!
     
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  7. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    But then on pitch, when everybody could see, Zico had much better out-of-the-box scoring stats than both of them.
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  9. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy


    Zico at 39 was UNBELIEVABLE! Could never suspect he was still THAT good! Of course Japan League was nowhere near the top european or south american leagues in the early 90s (even though it was not awful at all: Japan won Asian Cup for nations in 1992, and went to narrowly fail qualification to WC 94) and pressure by japanese defenders could not hold a candle that a european mastiff would exert. Nonetheless, here you are with a real life magician.
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    on Zico


    Did you know that Zico is most underrated in own Brazil generally here, by anti-Flamengo fans that hate Zico

    too much ??????!!!!!!!!!


    In Europe, Zico is loved.

    In Brazil and Argentina, he is hated and rarely mentioned among the greatest in history.


    Ronaldinho Gaucho fans

    hate him too


    tec..etc..etc..
     
  11. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Even hated? I thought he had got to be a bit overlooked or forgotten in the passing of decades -likely, gen Z's of today consider the late 70's/early 80's as belonging to the bronze age, generally speaking, not only football-wise. But even hated, this surprises me a lot. He is the kindest and most humble and down to earth superstar player ever.
     
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  12. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    lol I don't know anyone who hates Zico. Flamengo is hated for Vasco fans cause of their rivalry and they say Flamengo is the club of the media and were always favored by the referee but I know a lot of vasco fans and they don't hate Zico. Even the Z generation fans.

    I think William is confusing peopple puting 00s players like Dinho, Rivaldo or Ronaldo above Zico on all time rankings with hate on Zico. Zico is what peopple call "zero hate players" like Modric and others.
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes for sure !



    for so many many reasons Frank 73 !


    Clubism

    localism

    Because of the three defeats in the World Cup in a row .... 1978, 1982 and 1986

    they call Zico was a just Maracanã player


    because he has no official titles with the Brazilian National Team

    Anti-Flamengo haters


    alienated and sick people

    who have never watched entire matches


    Many people in Brazil...

    They don't even mention Zico anymore... one of the best Brazilian players.



    etc.etc.etc..etc..
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024












    @JoaoRicardo-wy9li
    há 3 anos
    Kkkkkkkkk Fez muito gol contra o Olaria e Campo Grande, né? Craque mesmo! Kkkkkkk





    @JoaoRicardo-wy9li
    há 3 anos
    Quem é Zico na fila do pão? Nunca disputou uma semi final de Copa, não brilhou nem na Udinese.





    @cintiasantos3322
    há 5 anos
    o que zico ganhou com celecão do brasil uma copa america me diz jogador de clube



    @marcoantoniolinhares5034
    há 3 anos
    O zico foi um bom jogador de clube e de um clube só.



    @andersondecarvalhoribeiro840
    há 4 anos
    Super avaliado pq foi o ídolo do time de maior torcida do mundo. Se fosse um ex- jogador do Cruzeiro, Grêmio, Vasco, Palmeiras e por aí vai, jamais seria tão endeusado como é até hoje................................................................. foi um grande jogador sim, mas do Flamengo. E ponto final.



    @marcoantoniolinhares5034
    há 3 anos
    @alvares_milano1. superestimado pelos clubistas kkkkkk. Concordo plenamente.
    1







    @marcoantoniolinhares5034
    há 3 anos
    @alvares_milano1. um zero a esquerda para o futebol e para a seleção brasileira.





    etc...etc..etc..
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ...

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FDR0w7quRQg
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....

    @joelandrade8989
    há 1 ano
    Ele era tão bom que nunca ganhou nada com a camisada seleção do Brasil e recebeu o apelido de Zica era só um cobrador de falta



    @alencarmoreiradasilva7380
    há 1 ano
    Ótimo só pro Flamengo ,jogou na portuguesa da Itália, pipocou na copa de 86 ,perdendo pênalti q daria a Vitória contra a França...
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    It's you who is confusing the favorable opinions about Zico...
    that you saw

    given by his friends and fans.
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Ed Orbach
    Cadê o zico
    • 1 d

    • Responder



    Pablo Moreira
    Ed Orbach tá errando.penalty
    • 1 d

    • Responder



    Ed Orbach
    Pablo Moreira kkk isso msm
    • 1 d

    • Responder














    Marcos Gonçalves De Brito Brito
    Ed Orbach entrou no final do 2° tempo, frio, incompetente, displicente e arrogante para perder o pênalti sofrido pelo Branco !!!
    Essa geração desde 1978 sempre teve tudo, menos humildade !!!!
    • 2 h

    • Responder




    Michel Kiss
    Ed Orbach zico entrou ,estava se poupando , Na época foi muito criticado por bater o pênalti que o goleiro defendeu , tinha acabado de entrar e estava frio no jogo , tele Santana escalou um time sem os melhores , querendo preservar .
    • 1 d

    • Responder




    Raul Kissuco
    Ed Orbach Pois é, essa escalação foi divulgada quanto tempo antes do início do jogo? E quem era esse Elzo?
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Mário Baião Filho
    Kaká não foi melhor, mas foi mais jogador na seleção que o Amarelão Zico da Amarelinha.
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....

    I totally disagree from you .. !
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ....
    ..

    In the world in general

    when asked...
    the best of all time...

    people mention

    Ruud Gullit, Marco van Basten, George Best, Michel Platini, even the deceptive Ronaldinho Gaucho

    for his dribbling skills , smile and magic...

    But they never mention Zico anymore +++


     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    I could go on... gathering millions of comments against Zico...

    but the topic here is about Michel Platini.

    so that's it . !
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    @waldirmeiguins2166
    há 3 meses
    SÓ JOGAVA NO FLAMENGO! NA SELEÇÃO ERA UMA DECEPÇÃO![​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    ..
    You are living in a fantasy world. Isaias Serafim !
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes I like Zico .....


    But I am an exception in my generation here in Brazil São Paulo city capital .
     

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